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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/judge_alitos_radical_views/comment-page-1/#comment-71512</link>
		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;The ass backwards assumption is that the 50âs are the future. This is a huge problem for the right in that they are stuck in the past, and resent the freedoms of the present.&#039;

Maybe in the hysterical magical time travel VW bus that you and Geralding and Hirsted are riding in but for the rest of us who weren&#039;t alive in the 50&#039;s we&#039;re looking to the future. Maybe the Great Society will come back but it&#039;s unlikely  since many of us associate the social engineering mindset with abject failure. But you and Ted K. can keep calling anyone who disagrees with you a reactionary bigot and make sure that you keep talking about abortion and Vietnam because as we can all see that&#039;s a sure winner and a great vision for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>''The ass backwards assumption is that the 50âs are the future. This is a huge problem for the right in that they are stuck in the past, and resent the freedoms of the present.'</p>
<p>Maybe in the hysterical magical time travel VW bus that you and Geralding and Hirsted are riding in but for the rest of us who weren't alive in the 50's we're looking to the future. Maybe the Great Society will come back but it's unlikely  since many of us associate the social engineering mindset with abject failure. But you and Ted K. can keep calling anyone who disagrees with you a reactionary bigot and make sure that you keep talking about abortion and Vietnam because as we can all see that's a sure winner and a great vision for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone think that having a court remove abortion protections will make abortion go away?  If you use the argument that the states should decide the issue, then why didn&#039;t we let the states decide the issue of slavery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone think that having a court remove abortion protections will make abortion go away?  If you use the argument that the states should decide the issue, then why didn't we let the states decide the issue of slavery?</p>
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		<title>By: J.Eisner</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Eisner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the Courts are going to try to discern &quot;intent&quot; rather than what the language of the law actually says, then why is it &quot;outlandish&quot; to consider the president&#039;s words alongside those of the Congress?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s outlandish to give the president&#039;s intent the same weight as Congress&#039;s (which is what the editorial said) because it is Congress&#039;s sole power to shape the law, perhaps through negotiations within Congress.  Considering the president&#039;s intent when interpreting the law might change what members of Congress thought they were agreeing to when they voted for it.   This is
why the federal Line Item Veto Act of 1996 was found unconstitutional, for example. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;After all, the final compromise bill hammered together by the conference committee often differs rather substantially from those initially voted upon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why is that relevant?  The compromise bill goes back to Congress for another vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the Courts are going to try to discern "intent" rather than what the language of the law actually says, then why is it "outlandish" to consider the president's words alongside those of the Congress?</p></blockquote>
<p>It's outlandish to give the president's intent the same weight as Congress's (which is what the editorial said) because it is Congress's sole power to shape the law, perhaps through negotiations within Congress.  Considering the president's intent when interpreting the law might change what members of Congress thought they were agreeing to when they voted for it.   This is<br />
why the federal Line Item Veto Act of 1996 was found unconstitutional, for example. </p>
<blockquote><p>After all, the final compromise bill hammered together by the conference committee often differs rather substantially from those initially voted upon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why is that relevant?  The compromise bill goes back to Congress for another vote.</p>
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		<title>By: J.Eisner</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Eisner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the conservative Heritage Foundation&#039;s originalist guide to the Constitution, the Senate is free to use its power of &quot;advice and consent&quot; however it sees fit.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/wm800.cfm

Advice and Consent: What the Constitution Says
   by John McGinnis
   July 19, 2005
 
Editor&#039;s Note: ... This essay is part of &lt;i&gt;The Heritage Guide to the Constitution&lt;/i&gt; (forthcoming), a line-by-line analysis of the original meaning of each clause of the United States Constitution, edited by David Forte and Matthew Spalding.
 
   ...
 
The Senate has independent authority in that it may constitutionally refuse to confirm a nominee for any reason.  While ideology and jurisprudential &quot;point of view&quot; were not among the   kinds of concerns listed by the Framers as justifying the requirement of advice and consent, nothing in the text of the clause appears to limit the kind of considerations the Senate can take up. It is thus reasonable to infer that the Framers located the process of advice and consent in the Senate as a check to prevent the President from appointing people who have unsound principles as well as blemished characters. As the President has   complete discretion in the use of his veto power, the Senate has complete and final discretion in whether to accept or approve a nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the conservative Heritage Foundation's originalist guide to the Constitution, the Senate is free to use its power of "advice and consent" however it sees fit.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/wm800.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/wm800.cfm</a></p>
<p>Advice and Consent: What the Constitution Says<br />
   by John McGinnis<br />
   July 19, 2005</p>
<p>Editor's Note: ... This essay is part of <i>The Heritage Guide to the Constitution</i> (forthcoming), a line-by-line analysis of the original meaning of each clause of the United States Constitution, edited by David Forte and Matthew Spalding.</p>
<p>   ...</p>
<p>The Senate has independent authority in that it may constitutionally refuse to confirm a nominee for any reason.  While ideology and jurisprudential "point of view" were not among the   kinds of concerns listed by the Framers as justifying the requirement of advice and consent, nothing in the text of the clause appears to limit the kind of considerations the Senate can take up. It is thus reasonable to infer that the Framers located the process of advice and consent in the Senate as a check to prevent the President from appointing people who have unsound principles as well as blemished characters. As the President has   complete discretion in the use of his veto power, the Senate has complete and final discretion in whether to accept or approve a nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you mr. anderson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you mr. anderson</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:

Sharpen up your reading skills. My topic was and remains, 

Where is the NYT in denouncing the Kelo decision that came from a lefty activists court?

Could it be that they do not want to say anything that would resemble a disagreement with their leftist buddies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:</p>
<p>Sharpen up your reading skills. My topic was and remains, </p>
<p>Where is the NYT in denouncing the Kelo decision that came from a lefty activists court?</p>
<p>Could it be that they do not want to say anything that would resemble a disagreement with their leftist buddies.</p>
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		<title>By: John Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an addendum to noneofyourbusiness&#039;s response, the &quot;advise and consent&quot; applies equally to judges (and ambassadors, etc.) as it does to treaties, which stand beside the Constitution as supreme law of the land. Any argument you make regarding Senate deliberation regarding judges could be made equally well for treaties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an addendum to noneofyourbusiness's response, the "advise and consent" applies equally to judges (and ambassadors, etc.) as it does to treaties, which stand beside the Constitution as supreme law of the land. Any argument you make regarding Senate deliberation regarding judges could be made equally well for treaties.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Floyd, &lt;a href=&quot;http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_lawandpolitics_archive.html#113756175348882886&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you&#039;re such a scream.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Floyd, <a href="http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_lawandpolitics_archive.html#113756175348882886" rel="nofollow">you're such a scream.</a></p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least we&#039;re fortunate to have one fully qualified supreme court judge,antonin scalia. too bad the democrats hate the constitution or we&#039;d have robert bork as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at least we're fortunate to have one fully qualified supreme court judge,antonin scalia. too bad the democrats hate the constitution or we'd have robert bork as well.</p>
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		<title>By: noneofyourbusiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>noneofyourbusiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Senate&#039;s role is merely to offer advice and consent. Their only responsibility is to ensure that nominees are fit to serve.&quot; -James Joyner

The conclusion is false. Consent is a responsibility that the nominees are fit to serve the people, not the current president&#039;s ideology or agenda.

&quot;If the Courts are going to try to discern &quot;intent&quot; rather than what the language of the law actually says, then why is it &quot;outlandish&quot; to consider the president&#039;s words alongside those of the Congress?&quot; -James Joyner

Because Congress, not the president, makes law. Also, the &quot;intent&quot; part of your argument is a straw man, and you know it. Shame on you.

&quot;Why doesnât the NYT write about the radical views we have seen with the present liberal leaning court?&quot; -Herb

Because the court is not left-leaning, being comprised of about 55% Republicans. Rush Limbaugh has hoodwinked you.

&quot;The assbackwards assumption is that the 60âs are the future. This is a huge problem for the left in that they are stuck in the past.&quot; -ICallMasICM

UCM wrong. The ass backwards assumption is that the 50âs are the future. This is a huge problem for the right in that they are stuck in the past, and resent the freedoms of the present.&quot;

&quot;No, I say not a step forward or backward, but a step towards the Supreme Court returning to its original function.&quot;-G A PHILLIPS

The original Supreme Court established a very strict balance of power between the different branches of government, and made sure that the presidency was none too powerful, something this nominee (and president) would undermine. Furthermore, despite your attack on liberalism, the founding fathers, who created that original supreme court, and the constitution as well, were, in fact, Liberal. Had THEY been conservative, we&#039;d still be singing &#039;God Save the King&#039;. I always find it amusing when Conservatives want to go back to origins, but don&#039;t understand that the Bill of Rights is a part of the original constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The Senate's role is merely to offer advice and consent. Their only responsibility is to ensure that nominees are fit to serve." -James Joyner</p>
<p>The conclusion is false. Consent is a responsibility that the nominees are fit to serve the people, not the current president's ideology or agenda.</p>
<p>"If the Courts are going to try to discern "intent" rather than what the language of the law actually says, then why is it "outlandish" to consider the president's words alongside those of the Congress?" -James Joyner</p>
<p>Because Congress, not the president, makes law. Also, the "intent" part of your argument is a straw man, and you know it. Shame on you.</p>
<p>"Why doesnât the NYT write about the radical views we have seen with the present liberal leaning court?" -Herb</p>
<p>Because the court is not left-leaning, being comprised of about 55% Republicans. Rush Limbaugh has hoodwinked you.</p>
<p>"The assbackwards assumption is that the 60âs are the future. This is a huge problem for the left in that they are stuck in the past." -ICallMasICM</p>
<p>UCM wrong. The ass backwards assumption is that the 50âs are the future. This is a huge problem for the right in that they are stuck in the past, and resent the freedoms of the present."</p>
<p>"No, I say not a step forward or backward, but a step towards the Supreme Court returning to its original function."-G A PHILLIPS</p>
<p>The original Supreme Court established a very strict balance of power between the different branches of government, and made sure that the presidency was none too powerful, something this nominee (and president) would undermine. Furthermore, despite your attack on liberalism, the founding fathers, who created that original supreme court, and the constitution as well, were, in fact, Liberal. Had THEY been conservative, we'd still be singing 'God Save the King'. I always find it amusing when Conservatives want to go back to origins, but don't understand that the Bill of Rights is a part of the original constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: J Histed</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Histed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why oh why are the American media, various and sundry political pundits, as well as high profile Democrats afraid to refer to the far-right wing of the Republican Party and their media shills by the correct term? They have been called variously ultra-conservatives , arch- conservatives etc. In actuality the most correct term is reactionary. And according to Webster&#039;s New Collegiate Dictionary a reactionary is  a believer in reaction which is a &quot;tendency toward a former and usu. outmoded political or social order or policy&quot; Once the far-right is referred to correctly and once their outmoded policies are revealed then and only then can they be refuted and reduced in power!
Howard Dean, Hilary, Al, Bill et al wake up!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why oh why are the American media, various and sundry political pundits, as well as high profile Democrats afraid to refer to the far-right wing of the Republican Party and their media shills by the correct term? They have been called variously ultra-conservatives , arch- conservatives etc. In actuality the most correct term is reactionary. And according to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary a reactionary is  a believer in reaction which is a "tendency toward a former and usu. outmoded political or social order or policy" Once the far-right is referred to correctly and once their outmoded policies are revealed then and only then can they be refuted and reduced in power!<br />
Howard Dean, Hilary, Al, Bill et al wake up!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Geraldine McCleave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geraldine McCleave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a woman who lived without the abortion option, and without civil rights for women and minorities it is a frightening future to imagine us under the rule of right wing male chauvinists who believe we should all be at home making their babies.  And, every woman I know feels this way.  I think in the long run, if this court becomes so extremely out of touch with the American life, we just won&#039;t pay any attention to the court&#039;s rulings.  As Al Gore should not have.  They (the court) are way too Repuplican or Democrat and seem to loose sight that they are to be impartial judges - instead they come to the court with a great many prejudices and expect us to go along. It is getting absurb to agree with the court conservatives who seem to be out of touch with what our lives are like in 2006. We cannot return to 1960.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a woman who lived without the abortion option, and without civil rights for women and minorities it is a frightening future to imagine us under the rule of right wing male chauvinists who believe we should all be at home making their babies.  And, every woman I know feels this way.  I think in the long run, if this court becomes so extremely out of touch with the American life, we just won't pay any attention to the court's rulings.  As Al Gore should not have.  They (the court) are way too Repuplican or Democrat and seem to loose sight that they are to be impartial judges - instead they come to the court with a great many prejudices and expect us to go along. It is getting absurb to agree with the court conservatives who seem to be out of touch with what our lives are like in 2006. We cannot return to 1960.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Singleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Judge Alito&#039;s Radical Views&lt;/strong&gt;

If Ruth Bader Ginsburg could replace Byron White (Roe&#039;s leading dissenter), why can&#039;t Alito replace O&#039;Conner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Judge Alito's Radical Views</strong></p>
<p>If Ruth Bader Ginsburg could replace Byron White (Roe's leading dissenter), why can't Alito replace O'Conner.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several of the observations do seem to be specious:
RE: Signing Statement and Conference Committee differing from intent and language of voted on legislation. Clearly unethical to sign a bill he disagrees with and worse to modify a bills intent after a vote.
RE:View that minorities would be singled out misses the point. They would not be sought out but in a either or cast Alito&#039;s view seems to be that the powerful are entitled.
RE: Advice and consent. Saying the Senate role is to &#039;merely offer&#039; reads differently than my copy of the Constitution. My copy reads &#039;with&#039;. And that is a very vast difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several of the observations do seem to be specious:<br />
RE: Signing Statement and Conference Committee differing from intent and language of voted on legislation. Clearly unethical to sign a bill he disagrees with and worse to modify a bills intent after a vote.<br />
RE:View that minorities would be singled out misses the point. They would not be sought out but in a either or cast Alito's view seems to be that the powerful are entitled.<br />
RE: Advice and consent. Saying the Senate role is to 'merely offer' reads differently than my copy of the Constitution. My copy reads 'with'. And that is a very vast difference.</p>
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		<title>By: G A PHILLIPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>G A PHILLIPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am stiil waiting for one of those lefty senators to burst into flames when he or she holds up a copy of the constitution; sort of like the effect a cross has on a vampire.  No, I say not a step forward or backward, but a step towards the Supreme Court returning to its original function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am stiil waiting for one of those lefty senators to burst into flames when he or she holds up a copy of the constitution; sort of like the effect a cross has on a vampire.  No, I say not a step forward or backward, but a step towards the Supreme Court returning to its original function.</p>
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