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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/judge_judy_republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-456888</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Postscript: if I had to name one really dangerous economic temptation for the people in a democracy, it wouldn&#039;t be a temptation to overtax the rich -- it would be their temptation to fund government programs like there was no tomorrow without taxing ANYONE for it.  

We have, of course, been seeing this process in spades in recent decades, pushed in various nations by both leftist and rightist parties -- its primary advocates in the US, after all, have been those two notorious leftists Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.  (George Will once sourly pointed out that &quot;Reagan&#039;s version of conservatism is wildly popular because it consists of giving the citizen a dollar&#039;s worth of government for 75 cents worth of taxes, with the rest being borrowed.&quot;)  Poor Keynes -- by honestly pointing out that there are some situations in which it really is desirable to run a deficit -- unintentionally opened the gates of Hell by giving politicians the excuse they had dreamed of for centuries to tell the citizens that it&#039;s ALWAYS the right time to run a deficit, with the knowledge that by the time the roof falls in they themselves will be safely out of office.

Thus my belief that running a deficit is one of those infrequent situations in which a properly revised US Constitution should require a Congressional supermajority, and probably a pretty big one.  We will, of course, see this on about the same day that O.J. finds the real killers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Postscript: if I had to name one really dangerous economic temptation for the people in a democracy, it wouldn't be a temptation to overtax the rich -- it would be their temptation to fund government programs like there was no tomorrow without taxing ANYONE for it.  </p>
<p>We have, of course, been seeing this process in spades in recent decades, pushed in various nations by both leftist and rightist parties -- its primary advocates in the US, after all, have been those two notorious leftists Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.  (George Will once sourly pointed out that "Reagan's version of conservatism is wildly popular because it consists of giving the citizen a dollar's worth of government for 75 cents worth of taxes, with the rest being borrowed.")  Poor Keynes -- by honestly pointing out that there are some situations in which it really is desirable to run a deficit -- unintentionally opened the gates of Hell by giving politicians the excuse they had dreamed of for centuries to tell the citizens that it's ALWAYS the right time to run a deficit, with the knowledge that by the time the roof falls in they themselves will be safely out of office.</p>
<p>Thus my belief that running a deficit is one of those infrequent situations in which a properly revised US Constitution should require a Congressional supermajority, and probably a pretty big one.  We will, of course, see this on about the same day that O.J. finds the real killers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/judge_judy_republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-456878</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joyner: &quot;Aside from whether a national health care entitlement is a good idea, it&#039;s a horrible idea to allow the masses to vote themselves a share of someone else&#039;s money. 

&quot;I don&#039;t mind a flat rate, whether it&#039;s an income tax or a sales tax, that has the effect of taking more money from the rich. But a tax specifically aimed at the rich demonstrates the chief flaw of democratic governance.&quot;

Why?  Because it decreases the overall economic productivity of a society?  But every time the progressivity of taxes in a nation has approached that point, the electorate has responded by throwing out the leftist party and replacing it with the rightist party, reversing the process (contrary to Adams&#039; fever dream).  Britain is an absolutely classic example of the process, but hardly the only one -- it&#039;s politically routine.

Because it&#039;s &quot;unfair&quot; to tax people at a higher rate merely because they make vastly more money for the same amount of work effort?  Morally, of course, that is pure BS (even given the obvious difficulties in precisely measuring &quot;work effort&quot;).  And, indeed, if you really did follow that reasoning to its logical conclusion, you&#039;d tax the richest American and the poorest American exactly the same total AMOUNT in taxes each year, not merely the same percentage of their incomes.  After all, surely Joe Quadriplegic could make exactly as much money per day as Bill Gates if only he REALLY chose to work as hard...  

(Not -- thank God -- that even advocates of a &quot;flat-percentage&quot; income tax like yourself really favor that, either.  What they actually favor is a progressive income tax with two rates: zero for some people such as Joe Quadriplegic, and some other figure for the rest of us.  Obvious next question: why not more than two rates for it?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyner: "Aside from whether a national health care entitlement is a good idea, it's a horrible idea to allow the masses to vote themselves a share of someone else's money. </p>
<p>"I don't mind a flat rate, whether it's an income tax or a sales tax, that has the effect of taking more money from the rich. But a tax specifically aimed at the rich demonstrates the chief flaw of democratic governance."</p>
<p>Why?  Because it decreases the overall economic productivity of a society?  But every time the progressivity of taxes in a nation has approached that point, the electorate has responded by throwing out the leftist party and replacing it with the rightist party, reversing the process (contrary to Adams' fever dream).  Britain is an absolutely classic example of the process, but hardly the only one -- it's politically routine.</p>
<p>Because it's "unfair" to tax people at a higher rate merely because they make vastly more money for the same amount of work effort?  Morally, of course, that is pure BS (even given the obvious difficulties in precisely measuring "work effort").  And, indeed, if you really did follow that reasoning to its logical conclusion, you'd tax the richest American and the poorest American exactly the same total AMOUNT in taxes each year, not merely the same percentage of their incomes.  After all, surely Joe Quadriplegic could make exactly as much money per day as Bill Gates if only he REALLY chose to work as hard...  </p>
<p>(Not -- thank God -- that even advocates of a "flat-percentage" income tax like yourself really favor that, either.  What they actually favor is a progressive income tax with two rates: zero for some people such as Joe Quadriplegic, and some other figure for the rest of us.  Obvious next question: why not more than two rates for it?)</p>
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		<title>By: tonto</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t mind a flat rate, whether it&#039;s an income tax or a sales tax, that has the effect of taking more money from the rich.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly, we are all equal before the law, except apparently, when it comes to our money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don't mind a flat rate, whether it's an income tax or a sales tax, that has the effect of taking more money from the rich.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, we are all equal before the law, except apparently, when it comes to our money.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Judy Republicans &#171; The Political Inquirer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judge Judy Republicans &#171; The Political Inquirer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Judy&#160;Republicans  Posted on July 15, 2008 by Lance   A look at the state of affairs in the Republican party: Sam’s Club [Judge Judy] Republicans sound a hell of a lot like plain old Democrats.   A [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Judy Republicans  Posted on July 15, 2008 by Lance   A look at the state of affairs in the Republican party: Sam&rsquo;s Club [Judge Judy] Republicans sound a hell of a lot like plain old Democrats.   A [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Snob</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/judge_judy_republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-456106</link>
		<dc:creator>The Snob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of those corrosive and destructive Sam&#039;s Club entrepreneurs, I think the median voter is pretty OK with Conrad Hilton but not so much his granddaughter Paris. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry and Sergey, these guys might all be obscenely rish but at least they paid for their own lottery ticket.

The traditional difference between American and European aristocracy was that the former was merit-based while the latter was more likely inherited. In the US class system there was not just upward but downward mobility. It feels to me like this sense is fraying--that the gulf between lower- and upper-middle is becoming much harder to cross, while those who make it into the ranks of &quot;upper&quot; have to acquire a very bad coke habit or be truly idiotic in the management of their money before they, or their children, run any risk of having to worry about things like paying for health insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of those corrosive and destructive Sam's Club entrepreneurs, I think the median voter is pretty OK with Conrad Hilton but not so much his granddaughter Paris. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry and Sergey, these guys might all be obscenely rish but at least they paid for their own lottery ticket.</p>
<p>The traditional difference between American and European aristocracy was that the former was merit-based while the latter was more likely inherited. In the US class system there was not just upward but downward mobility. It feels to me like this sense is fraying--that the gulf between lower- and upper-middle is becoming much harder to cross, while those who make it into the ranks of "upper" have to acquire a very bad coke habit or be truly idiotic in the management of their money before they, or their children, run any risk of having to worry about things like paying for health insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarge6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarge6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love tormenting my Democratic acquaintances with the hard facts: follow the money, and tell me the GOP is the Party of Wall Street. Go to opensecrets.org and run the screens. The Wall Street investment firms are giving to the Dems notably more than 50%. And it&#039;s not even close with the silk stocking so-called corporate law firms: close to 75% to the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love tormenting my Democratic acquaintances with the hard facts: follow the money, and tell me the GOP is the Party of Wall Street. Go to opensecrets.org and run the screens. The Wall Street investment firms are giving to the Dems notably more than 50%. And it's not even close with the silk stocking so-called corporate law firms: close to 75% to the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: brainy435</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainy435</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. So the small minority of people who employ the rest of us are a &quot;corrosive and destructive influence on society?&quot; How the hell would you even begin to justify that statement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. So the small minority of people who employ the rest of us are a "corrosive and destructive influence on society?" How the hell would you even begin to justify that statement?</p>
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		<title>By: James Destro</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Destro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a tax specifically aimed at the rich demonstrates the chief flaw of democratic governance.&quot;

Why and how? The income tax as first instituted was a tax specifically aimed at the rich. 

Two centuries later it seems obvious that Adams was mistaken about who were the radicals and who were the conservatives. The &quot;rich&quot; have demonstrated time and time again that they are the corrosive and destructive influence on society, not the dreaded &quot;masses&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"a tax specifically aimed at the rich demonstrates the chief flaw of democratic governance."</p>
<p>Why and how? The income tax as first instituted was a tax specifically aimed at the rich. </p>
<p>Two centuries later it seems obvious that Adams was mistaken about who were the radicals and who were the conservatives. The "rich" have demonstrated time and time again that they are the corrosive and destructive influence on society, not the dreaded "masses".</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So &quot;hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement&quot; is a bad idea, even if said tax hikes on the wealthy aren&#039;t big enough to significantly reduce the nation&#039;s economic productivity?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.

Aside from whether a national health care entitlement is a good idea, it&#039;s a horrible idea to allow the masses to vote themselves a share of someone else&#039;s money.  

I don&#039;t mind a flat rate, whether it&#039;s an income tax or a sales tax, that has the effect of taking more money from the rich.  But a tax specifically aimed at the rich demonstrates the chief flaw of democratic governance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So "hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement" is a bad idea, even if said tax hikes on the wealthy aren't big enough to significantly reduce the nation's economic productivity?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Aside from whether a national health care entitlement is a good idea, it's a horrible idea to allow the masses to vote themselves a share of someone else's money.  </p>
<p>I don't mind a flat rate, whether it's an income tax or a sales tax, that has the effect of taking more money from the rich.  But a tax specifically aimed at the rich demonstrates the chief flaw of democratic governance.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So &quot;hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement&quot; is a bad idea, even if said tax hikes on the wealthy aren&#039;t big enough to significantly reduce the nation&#039;s economic productivity?  Maybe because it&#039;s unfair to tax the rich at a higher rate than the rest of us, since the poor dears make 20 times more money per day by working 20 times harder per day than the rest of us? 

As for John Adams&#039; terrors on this subject, I must confess that he was never my favorite Founder, given the Sedition Act and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So "hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement" is a bad idea, even if said tax hikes on the wealthy aren't big enough to significantly reduce the nation's economic productivity?  Maybe because it's unfair to tax the rich at a higher rate than the rest of us, since the poor dears make 20 times more money per day by working 20 times harder per day than the rest of us? </p>
<p>As for John Adams' terrors on this subject, I must confess that he was never my favorite Founder, given the Sedition Act and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Most of them likely graduated high school, show up for work on a regular basis, and refrain from siring children out of wedlock and stealing the automobiles of the woman they left pregnant while owing three months’ back rent and the $5300 she loaned him to go to bounty hunter school from which he never graduated because he kept showing up to class drunk.&lt;/em&gt;

Fortunately, that subset of the population probably doesn&#039;t vote anyway (though they might be more likely to if not for laws against selling spirits while the polls are open).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Most of them likely graduated high school, show up for work on a regular basis, and refrain from siring children out of wedlock and stealing the automobiles of the woman they left pregnant while owing three months&rsquo; back rent and the $5300 she loaned him to go to bounty hunter school from which he never graduated because he kept showing up to class drunk.</em></p>
<p>Fortunately, that subset of the population probably doesn't vote anyway (though they might be more likely to if not for laws against selling spirits while the polls are open).</p>
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		<title>By: Black Political Analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Political Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we should be upset with The Atlantic for giving us mixed signals. I distinctly remember an article from 2005 liking the GOP to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200504u/pp2005-04-29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paris Hilton&#039;s Party&lt;/a&gt;. You&#039;re right, the GOP was never the country club party, but in some aspects it benefited from the myth. If you believe, as I do, that many Americans are aspirational voters, than appealing to the country club set isn&#039;t all bad. Aspirational voters vote on what they&#039;d like to become...and how they&#039;d like to be governed (or taxed) once there. Of course, the vast majority of Americans are middle-class, but many aspire or aim to be in the top 10% or 5% or 1%. Thus, they vote based on how they&#039;d like things to be once they&#039;re at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should be upset with The Atlantic for giving us mixed signals. I distinctly remember an article from 2005 liking the GOP to <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200504u/pp2005-04-29" rel="nofollow">Paris Hilton's Party</a>. You're right, the GOP was never the country club party, but in some aspects it benefited from the myth. If you believe, as I do, that many Americans are aspirational voters, than appealing to the country club set isn't all bad. Aspirational voters vote on what they'd like to become...and how they'd like to be governed (or taxed) once there. Of course, the vast majority of Americans are middle-class, but many aspire or aim to be in the top 10% or 5% or 1%. Thus, they vote based on how they'd like things to be once they're at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of Sam&#039;s club is aimed at small business owners, which is an important part of the GOP for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of Sam's club is aimed at small business owners, which is an important part of the GOP for a long time.</p>
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