Thanks for the link. These tatics by political parties should be opposed by all Americans who value freedom. The conventions are just a stage show these days, I did not pay much attention last summer.

VokdaPundit has a link to someone who has taken an intelligent look at the polls in the swing-states. He threw out all of the old polls and his ...

But I suppose since those news reports weren't in "The American Right-Wing Wacko," which seems to be his sole source of news, he wouldn't know about them.

But some repuglicans here in turn asked me what was wrong with asking for voter IDs at the polls. These people of course are too stupid to know that in Ohio voters are asked for ID before they are given a ballot by the poll workers.

What the repuglicans thugs hanging over the workers will do is to challenge black voters, who are predominately democratic voters, in order to cause some mahem and a slowdown of voting leading to others not bothering to vote. Since in Ohio you can only challenge voters if you have some legitimate grounds for a challenge all of these challenges will be for the sole purpose of causing harrasment. They have no legitimate grounds to challenge anyone as they will all be strangers to the neighborhoods and no nothing of its residents.

You have been provided the truth about the free speech zones. You do have the right to free speech, and you have the right to protest, but you don't have the right to disrupt an event and endanger the lives of people like would have happened at the DNC or RNC this summer.

If you are worried about your civil liberties I suggest you don't commit acts of terrorism. Or fund, join or aid any terrorist organizations. There have been no abuses of the patriot act, if you can provide one I would like to see it.

      Google democratic national convention fenced free speech zone and hit 'I'm feeling lucky,' and this turns up:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/04/hilden.freespeech/

"(FindLaw) -- Last week, the Democratic National Convention (DNC) ended. But the First Amendment issues that were raised there did not. Indeed, they are likely to continue on indefinitely -- recurring at the upcoming Republican National Convention (RNC), and similar public events raising intense security concerns.

Protesters at the DNC were confined to a fenced-in area -- a wire enclosure topped by razor wire outside Boston's FleetCenter, where the Convention was held."[emphasis added]

      I must say, I'm rather surprised you could have failed to notice this, as it was mentioned in lots of stories about the Democratic convention.  Which tells us all something about selective memory.

And, for crying out loud: GOP headquarters have been invaded, burglarized, and vandalized for weeks and weeks--including numerous incidents of shooting the windows out (sometimes with real guns, sometimes with BB guns or whatever). Don't you read the news? Don't you have Google? Go get informed.

Seriously, folks--the heartbreaking thing about all this is that the two parties cannot cooperate, get together long enough to form bipartisan little bands and poll-monitor together. In a less insane climate, people would see the big picture and agree that we want neither vote fraud nor intimidation.

Hamilton County GOP Challengers Include Mostly Suburbanites

Jene Galvin of Make Ohio Blue has seen and reviewed a list of 270 Republican Challengers for Hamilton County Ohio (Cincinnati Area) and it indicates that most challengers are from suburban areas and are not assigned to monitor suburban precincts. Instead they are hitting the City of Cincinnati itself and mainly minority neighborhoods. From Jene:
So when I poured over the list of paid Republican challengers, where they live and where to date they've been assigned to challenge voters tomorrow at polling places, one conclusion jumped off the pages: Largely, the Republican Party is paying white suburbanites to go into voting facilities of largely poor black neighborhoods.

Their obvious assumption? That working class and poor black people need to be watched when they vote, usually by more affluent white people, that African Americans are often crooked.

For example, while large numbers of the paid Republican challengers live in townships outside Cincinnati, in cities as far away as Fairfield and West Chester, no challenger is being sent to all-white suburbs.
Fairfield and West Chester are not even in Hamilton County. Conflict and tension will be high if the Federal Rulings are overturned. At this hour there is no news on the GOP appeal. Polls without challengers should mean a smoother election.

>can anyone out here show were challengers are being sent to well-to-do white areas?

Why am I not suprised?

I don't know where, and I don't know who, but I just feel that the reckoning is at hand, and the parties will blame each other for what happens, and it will be our darkest hour as a representative democracy.

Just please let this nightmare be over with tomorrow night.

Actually I was equating fenced in "free speech zones" with the actions of Nazis.

If necessary I can provide postings in comic book format so that you can keep up

:)

The article I linked to and you apparently are too lazy to read is from THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE. Not exactly a hotbed of Kerry supporters.

I would appreciate proof of democrats "shooting up" gop headquarters. Something tells me none is forthcoming.

Pretty typical. You can't refute an argument so you resort to things like "tinfoil" that would embarras a reasonably bright 8th grader in debate club.

This is why Bush will be elected on Nov. 2. Afterwards, we will work on real voter reform.
I hope that is how it turns out.

A lifelong Democrat votinfg for Bush.