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	<title>Comments on: Judge Throws Out Tom Delay Conspiracy Charges</title>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent:  Agreed on campaign finance stuff.

The evidence certainly seems to go beyond that, including to influence peddling and personal financial gain for himself and his wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent:  Agreed on campaign finance stuff.</p>
<p>The evidence certainly seems to go beyond that, including to influence peddling and personal financial gain for himself and his wife.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;there is plenty of evidence that he played as close to the limits of legality as possible, almost certainly crossing the line of proper ethical conduct.&lt;/em&gt;

It seems to me that &quot;ethical&quot; is not a meaningful adjective to use in connection with our convoluted campaign financing laws.  I can&#039;t see how anything more restrictive than a full disclosure, no foreign contributions rule is consistent with the First Amendment -- whatever SCOTUS may think.

I doubt whether Delay had any such high motives, but it could be argued that pushing the ragged limits of an unwise and unconstitutional law is perfectly ethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>there is plenty of evidence that he played as close to the limits of legality as possible, almost certainly crossing the line of proper ethical conduct.</em></p>
<p>It seems to me that "ethical" is not a meaningful adjective to use in connection with our convoluted campaign financing laws.  I can't see how anything more restrictive than a full disclosure, no foreign contributions rule is consistent with the First Amendment -- whatever SCOTUS may think.</p>
<p>I doubt whether Delay had any such high motives, but it could be argued that pushing the ragged limits of an unwise and unconstitutional law is perfectly ethical.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fersboo:  Serious political trouble, not legal trouble.

I don&#039;t consider myself a &quot;moderate.&quot;  I&#039;m not a Delay fan because I think he uses sleazy tactics, not because of his stands on particular issues.   He&#039;s also not adverse to lining his pockets by virtue of his high political office.

See Slate&#039;s summary, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2116392/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Tom DeLay Scandals&lt;/a&gt;&quot; for one reasoned take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fersboo:  Serious political trouble, not legal trouble.</p>
<p>I don't consider myself a "moderate."  I'm not a Delay fan because I think he uses sleazy tactics, not because of his stands on particular issues.   He's also not adverse to lining his pockets by virtue of his high political office.</p>
<p>See Slate's summary, "<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2116392/" rel="nofollow">The Tom DeLay Scandals</a>" for one reasoned take.</p>
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		<title>By: Fersboo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fersboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it JJ.  You said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Delay is in serious trouble and, even if he is ultimately acquitted on these charges, there is plenty of evidence that he played as close to the limits of legality as possible, almost certainly crossing the line of proper ethical conduct. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is going up to the limit of legality equate to DeLay being in serious trouble?  For an ethical lapse?  For a law that wasn&#039;t on the books when the &#039;alleged crime&#039; occurred?

Someday, like in 10 years or so, I would like someone to explain to me the moderates&#039; dislike of DeLay.  I understand the liberals dislike, but have no clue why everyone else has a problem.  It isn&#039;t like he praised a segregationist&#039;s career at a birthday party or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't get it JJ.  You said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Delay is in serious trouble and, even if he is ultimately acquitted on these charges, there is plenty of evidence that he played as close to the limits of legality as possible, almost certainly crossing the line of proper ethical conduct. </p></blockquote>
<p>How is going up to the limit of legality equate to DeLay being in serious trouble?  For an ethical lapse?  For a law that wasn't on the books when the 'alleged crime' occurred?</p>
<p>Someday, like in 10 years or so, I would like someone to explain to me the moderates' dislike of DeLay.  I understand the liberals dislike, but have no clue why everyone else has a problem.  It isn't like he praised a segregationist's career at a birthday party or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Super Fun Power Hour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Super Fun Power Hour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Good News for Delay; Indictment Dismissed&lt;/strong&gt;

don&#039;t tell the AP, who&#039;s headline &quot;DeLay&#039;s Money Laundering Charges Upheld&quot; makes it seem to be a setback for the embattled Texan congressman. (Other headlines include &quot;DeLay&#039;s hopes dashed for quick end to case&quot; and</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Good News for Delay; Indictment Dismissed</strong></p>
<p>don't tell the AP, who's headline "DeLay's Money Laundering Charges Upheld" makes it seem to be a setback for the embattled Texan congressman. (Other headlines include "DeLay's hopes dashed for quick end to case" and</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Ehrlich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Ehrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John, where were you when Bill was selling sleep time in the Lincoln bedroom?  Or selling Presidential pardons?  Ot selling justice down the river, for instance when instead of insisting the Saudis allow the FBI to investigate the Hobart Towers bombing, asking for donations to the Clinton library?  Funny how you on the left are so quick to forget what your side not only is capable of, but is commonly practiced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John, where were you when Bill was selling sleep time in the Lincoln bedroom?  Or selling Presidential pardons?  Ot selling justice down the river, for instance when instead of insisting the Saudis allow the FBI to investigate the Hobart Towers bombing, asking for donations to the Clinton library?  Funny how you on the left are so quick to forget what your side not only is capable of, but is commonly practiced.</p>
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		<title>By: The Debate Link</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Debate Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;DeLay Remains Under Indictment&lt;/strong&gt;

A Texas Judge has upheld the more serious charge facing Tom DeLay while tossing out a second indictment. John Cole hits the right note, I think: this doesn&#039;t mean DeLay is innocent, nor does it mean he&#039;s guilty. It does, however, mean that he is fini...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>DeLay Remains Under Indictment</strong></p>
<p>A Texas Judge has upheld the more serious charge facing Tom DeLay while tossing out a second indictment. John Cole hits the right note, I think: this doesn't mean DeLay is innocent, nor does it mean he's guilty. It does, however, mean that he is fini...</p>
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		<title>By: Iowa Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iowa Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;DeLay&#039;s Day In Court&lt;/strong&gt;

Tom DeLay managed to get his conspiracy charges thrown out, but will still have to face charges of money laundering:

A judge dismissed the conspiracy charges Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the money-laundering counts, dashing th</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>DeLay's Day In Court</strong></p>
<p>Tom DeLay managed to get his conspiracy charges thrown out, but will still have to face charges of money laundering:</p>
<p>A judge dismissed the conspiracy charges Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the money-laundering counts, dashing th</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, so ridiculous, anyone who doesn&#039;t believe that Delay is part of the big K Street problem with American politics is just fooling themselves.  Some have said that power corrupts...but it&#039;s actually money that corrupts and Delay and company are the prime example of what&#039;s wrong in this country.  This is so obvious to even the most casual observer that these guys, Delay, Abramoff etc are just selling out America for their own benifit.  Please, don&#039;t spend your time and effort supporting a bunch of crooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, so ridiculous, anyone who doesn't believe that Delay is part of the big K Street problem with American politics is just fooling themselves.  Some have said that power corrupts...but it's actually money that corrupts and Delay and company are the prime example of what's wrong in this country.  This is so obvious to even the most casual observer that these guys, Delay, Abramoff etc are just selling out America for their own benifit.  Please, don't spend your time and effort supporting a bunch of crooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob:

I gather by your comment that you fully support the terrorists that are in jail and would like to see them set free to Kill innocent US Citizens.

I also gather that you support Saddam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob:</p>
<p>I gather by your comment that you fully support the terrorists that are in jail and would like to see them set free to Kill innocent US Citizens.</p>
<p>I also gather that you support Saddam.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer the &quot;F-Word News Channel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the "F-Word News Channel."</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why aren&#039;t you carrying the liberal banning of Christmas like Faux News? That is the funniest thing ever...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why aren't you carrying the liberal banning of Christmas like Faux News? That is the funniest thing ever...</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Trueday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Trueday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I operate on the theoretical premiseâgranting that it is seldom observed in practiceâthat reporters are supposed to present the truth as best as their knowledge of the facts allows.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Joyner, with apologists like you, it makes one wonder why the government spends so much to buy off reporters!

You&#039;re doing a heckuva job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I operate on the theoretical premiseâgranting that it is seldom observed in practiceâthat reporters are supposed to present the truth as best as their knowledge of the facts allows.</p></blockquote>
<p>Joyner, with apologists like you, it makes one wonder why the government spends so much to buy off reporters!</p>
<p>You're doing a heckuva job!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, the first thing I looked at were the headings without caring what the story was about. You can do the same by going to google news. That&#039;s how I got to your website. It&#039;s funny that CNN has the right &quot;heading.&quot; Maybe they are afraid that they will be labeled by loons like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, the first thing I looked at were the headings without caring what the story was about. You can do the same by going to google news. That's how I got to your website. It's funny that CNN has the right "heading." Maybe they are afraid that they will be labeled by loons like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Judge drops conspiracy charges against DeLay&lt;/strong&gt;

A judge dismissed the conspiracy charges Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the </description>
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<p>A judge dismissed the conspiracy charges Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the</p>
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