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		<title>By: X: THC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Question Marks...&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;This didn&#039;t have to happen&quot;, Cho Seung-Hui said, after brutally murdering thirty-two people at Virginia Tech University.

And this terrible tragedy of sons, daughters, mothers and fathers didn&#039;t have to happen, if we&#039;d only listened.

But we never listen.

We never listen to those that are different from us- the outcasts, the lonely, the homeless, the ones that are unspoken for. We don&#039;t try to understand. We shun them and put them out of our minds because of our fear that we will become like them.

And these people become more and more lonely and alienated in their isolation.

Words like &quot;creep&quot;, &quot;deranged misfit&quot; and &quot;psycho&quot; devalue this killer&#039;s humanity so we don&#039;t have to face how similar he is to us. Cries of &quot;how could he have been stopped&quot; are uttered by media quick to sensationalize and gain market share, when the words &quot;how could he have been listened to&quot; are never considered.

Because we don&#039;t want to listen.

We don&#039;t want to hear about loneliness and alienation when we&#039;re all so busy with our lives, making money and making friends. And the unpopular, the ones that don&#039;t fit in, the lonely ones are ignored or made fun of because we don&#039;t care to understand anything about them.

As a boy, Cho Seung-Hui &quot;was picked on, pushed around and laughed at over his shyness&quot; (Associated Press). When he started college, according to the Guardian, &quot;his mother took his dormitory mates to one side to explain about her son&#039;s unusual character and implored them to help.&quot;

And he clearly needed help, devaluing himself so much that he called himself &quot;Question Mark&quot;.

There are more &quot;Question Marks&quot; out there. There are millions of them. And if we don&#039;t listen to them, they will follow the same path again and again, because people are not connecting. We are becoming more and more disconnected from each other, creating more and more &quot;Question Marks&quot; every day.

Most &quot;Question Marks&quot; don&#039;t become murderers. Some just kill themselves. Most harm no one and live just as we do, needing antidepressants to appear what we call &quot;normal&quot;. They may be someone you know, someone you love.

This &quot;Question Mark&quot; was once a little boy, who cried, and smiled and loved, He wanted to fit in just like you and I. But that desire to fit in transformed itself into anger towards a society that shunned and ignored him.

How many more times will we shun and ignore the one that doesn&#039;t fit in, the one in the corner, the one that&#039;s different? When all we have to do is listen, before it&#039;s too late.

But we won&#039;t.

Thirty-two human beings who did not know Cho Seung-Hui were murdered.
They were sons, daughters, fathers and mothers, with dreams of futures that will never come and children that will never be born. The thirty-two leave behind people that love them. People that are now scarred for life by this horrible day of death.

To most of us that have not been directly involved, this tragedy will become a memory and fade like all the others that came before.

And the &quot;Question Marks&quot; will appear with more frequency, again and again, because we don&#039;t listen.

We never do.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Question Marks...</strong></p>
<p>"This didn't have to happen", Cho Seung-Hui said, after brutally murdering thirty-two people at Virginia Tech University.</p>
<p>And this terrible tragedy of sons, daughters, mothers and fathers didn't have to happen, if we'd only listened.</p>
<p>But we never listen.</p>
<p>We never listen to those that are different from us- the outcasts, the lonely, the homeless, the ones that are unspoken for. We don't try to understand. We shun them and put them out of our minds because of our fear that we will become like them.</p>
<p>And these people become more and more lonely and alienated in their isolation.</p>
<p>Words like "creep", "deranged misfit" and "psycho" devalue this killer's humanity so we don't have to face how similar he is to us. Cries of "how could he have been stopped" are uttered by media quick to sensationalize and gain market share, when the words "how could he have been listened to" are never considered.</p>
<p>Because we don't want to listen.</p>
<p>We don't want to hear about loneliness and alienation when we're all so busy with our lives, making money and making friends. And the unpopular, the ones that don't fit in, the lonely ones are ignored or made fun of because we don't care to understand anything about them.</p>
<p>As a boy, Cho Seung-Hui "was picked on, pushed around and laughed at over his shyness" (Associated Press). When he started college, according to the Guardian, "his mother took his dormitory mates to one side to explain about her son's unusual character and implored them to help."</p>
<p>And he clearly needed help, devaluing himself so much that he called himself "Question Mark".</p>
<p>There are more "Question Marks" out there. There are millions of them. And if we don't listen to them, they will follow the same path again and again, because people are not connecting. We are becoming more and more disconnected from each other, creating more and more "Question Marks" every day.</p>
<p>Most "Question Marks" don't become murderers. Some just kill themselves. Most harm no one and live just as we do, needing antidepressants to appear what we call "normal". They may be someone you know, someone you love.</p>
<p>This "Question Mark" was once a little boy, who cried, and smiled and loved, He wanted to fit in just like you and I. But that desire to fit in transformed itself into anger towards a society that shunned and ignored him.</p>
<p>How many more times will we shun and ignore the one that doesn't fit in, the one in the corner, the one that's different? When all we have to do is listen, before it's too late.</p>
<p>But we won't.</p>
<p>Thirty-two human beings who did not know Cho Seung-Hui were murdered.<br />
They were sons, daughters, fathers and mothers, with dreams of futures that will never come and children that will never be born. The thirty-two leave behind people that love them. People that are now scarred for life by this horrible day of death.</p>
<p>To most of us that have not been directly involved, this tragedy will become a memory and fade like all the others that came before.</p>
<p>And the "Question Marks" will appear with more frequency, again and again, because we don't listen.</p>
<p>We never do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ban Gun Free Zones - Episode #032 at Gun Rights Advocates Podcast Show Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ban Gun Free Zones - Episode #032 at Gun Rights Advocates Podcast Show Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

     When my parents were attending High School both of them were involved with Firearms.

My Mother was on the Rifle team at Tacoma High School.

My Mother never killed anyone.

My Father actually brought his shotgun to School so he could hunt Ducks down at the Lake after school.

My father never killed anyone.

So called &quot;Gun Free Zones&quot; give an Illusion of Safety that can very easily be shattered by 
any Sick person that knows that potential Victims are all Disarmed there.

Just as Burglers always go for the easy Target, So it is with Mass Murderers.

They know they will be unopposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>     When my parents were attending High School both of them were involved with Firearms.</p>
<p>My Mother was on the Rifle team at Tacoma High School.</p>
<p>My Mother never killed anyone.</p>
<p>My Father actually brought his shotgun to School so he could hunt Ducks down at the Lake after school.</p>
<p>My father never killed anyone.</p>
<p>So called "Gun Free Zones" give an Illusion of Safety that can very easily be shattered by<br />
any Sick person that knows that potential Victims are all Disarmed there.</p>
<p>Just as Burglers always go for the easy Target, So it is with Mass Murderers.</p>
<p>They know they will be unopposed.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cian;Nearly every boy in my fourth grade class was the proud owner of a bolt action .22 caliber single shot rifle. Sold at the local western auto store for around $10. Hey they even trusted most of us with fishhooks!
 We were also taught respect for parents and authority along with gun safety.
 BTW; We really DIDN&quot;T need so many &quot;stinking laws&quot;. In a community of four thousand decent people[and one old pervert], we had one full time and two part time police officers sworn to &quot;protect and serve.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cian;Nearly every boy in my fourth grade class was the proud owner of a bolt action .22 caliber single shot rifle. Sold at the local western auto store for around $10. Hey they even trusted most of us with fishhooks!<br />
 We were also taught respect for parents and authority along with gun safety.<br />
 BTW; We really DIDN"T need so many "stinking laws". In a community of four thousand decent people[and one old pervert], we had one full time and two part time police officers sworn to "protect and serve."</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us pray for the victims and leave the politics to next month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us pray for the victims and leave the politics to next month.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jumping_the_gun/comment-page-1/#comment-120496</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Almost as if we should have learned something the last time. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

They did - passing more gun control laws increases gun violence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Almost as if we should have learned something the last time. </p></blockquote>
<p>They did - passing more gun control laws increases gun violence</p>
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		<title>By: Gollum</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jumping_the_gun/comment-page-1/#comment-120470</link>
		<dc:creator>Gollum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Here are the problems with that line of thinking . . . it totally ignores all the extra fatalities that would occur if you had so many more people armed.&lt;/em&gt;

Of course, the problem with *that* line of thinking is that the &#039;extra fatalities&#039; are purely your assumption.

&lt;em&gt;Why not suggest they be armed with Mace or a taser?&lt;/em&gt;

Because the effective range for mace or TASER is only 15-18 feet.  Against a gun, those tools are only slightly more effective than harsh language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Here are the problems with that line of thinking . . . it totally ignores all the extra fatalities that would occur if you had so many more people armed.</em></p>
<p>Of course, the problem with *that* line of thinking is that the 'extra fatalities' are purely your assumption.</p>
<p><em>Why not suggest they be armed with Mace or a taser?</em></p>
<p>Because the effective range for mace or TASER is only 15-18 feet.  Against a gun, those tools are only slightly more effective than harsh language.</p>
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		<title>By: carrie watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>carrie watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tlaloc implies that someone who is trained and armed would wildly shoot at anything that moves, killing anyone nearby. Typical- anyone who would own a gun is stoopid and unsophistcated, right?
NEVER mentioned in the media are the stories of everyday people-heroes- who protect themselves and thier families from carjackers, robbers, etc. Why should we be rendered completely helpless against the physcopaths of the world for whom gun laws do not apply, no matter how rigid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tlaloc implies that someone who is trained and armed would wildly shoot at anything that moves, killing anyone nearby. Typical- anyone who would own a gun is stoopid and unsophistcated, right?<br />
NEVER mentioned in the media are the stories of everyday people-heroes- who protect themselves and thier families from carjackers, robbers, etc. Why should we be rendered completely helpless against the physcopaths of the world for whom gun laws do not apply, no matter how rigid.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me something, Tlaloc.... what&#039;s your position on the legization of so-called &#039;recreational drugs&#039; and why?

And let&#039;s save time by your not dancing around this one... answer the question directly.

(Clue: I&#039;ve already researched this)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me something, Tlaloc.... what's your position on the legization of so-called 'recreational drugs' and why?</p>
<p>And let's save time by your not dancing around this one... answer the question directly.</p>
<p>(Clue: I've already researched this)</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They STILL wouldn&#039;t have killed anyone if they hadn&#039;t owned guns, now would they?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Who knows? The largest mass slaughter of school children in America was comitted by a bomber (Andrew Kehoe) in 1927.  You&#039;re never going to stop random nutcases from going on rampages.  Blaming the VT massacre on the prevalence of guns is boilerplate liberal dogma, but it doesn&#039;t mean a thing.  Per capita, American automobile owners kill more people with their cars than gun owners do with their firearms.  Eliminating guns is not going to eliminate mass murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They STILL wouldn't have killed anyone if they hadn't owned guns, now would they?</p></blockquote>
<p>Who knows? The largest mass slaughter of school children in America was comitted by a bomber (Andrew Kehoe) in 1927.  You're never going to stop random nutcases from going on rampages.  Blaming the VT massacre on the prevalence of guns is boilerplate liberal dogma, but it doesn't mean a thing.  Per capita, American automobile owners kill more people with their cars than gun owners do with their firearms.  Eliminating guns is not going to eliminate mass murder.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cian and Tlaloc, dudes what in the great blue hell are you dudes talking about? Do you have any Idea how many liberally rights protected criminals shoot people dead in the inner cities because they know how easy it is to pray on people that are not armed? And I wonder witch group of societal geniuses gave them them the Idea that we are all animals and that life don&#039;t matter, but that&#039;s another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cian and Tlaloc, dudes what in the great blue hell are you dudes talking about? Do you have any Idea how many liberally rights protected criminals shoot people dead in the inner cities because they know how easy it is to pray on people that are not armed? And I wonder witch group of societal geniuses gave them them the Idea that we are all animals and that life don't matter, but that's another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How many would have been killed if the students had guns and were trained in their use for self defense? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here are the problems with that line of thinking:

A) it totally ignores all the extra fatalities that would occur if you had so many more people armed.

B) there is no reason anyone would have needed a gun to stop this guy.  Why not suggest they be armed with Mace or a taser?  You know something that is unlikely to kill if used accidentally or by someone who snaps?  Or at the very least less likely to kill 30+?

Oh yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How many would have been killed if the students had guns and were trained in their use for self defense? </p></blockquote>
<p>Here are the problems with that line of thinking:</p>
<p>A) it totally ignores all the extra fatalities that would occur if you had so many more people armed.</p>
<p>B) there is no reason anyone would have needed a gun to stop this guy.  Why not suggest they be armed with Mace or a taser?  You know something that is unlikely to kill if used accidentally or by someone who snaps?  Or at the very least less likely to kill 30+?</p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Um, what about the roughly 80,000,000 American gun owners who did NOT kill anybody today? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

They STILL wouldn&#039;t have killed anyone if they hadn&#039;t owned guns, now would they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Um, what about the roughly 80,000,000 American gun owners who did NOT kill anybody today? </p></blockquote>
<p>They STILL wouldn't have killed anyone if they hadn't owned guns, now would they?</p>
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		<title>By: George Elkerton</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Elkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the biggest UNSAID conundrum is the TOTAL FAILURE of police and their &quot;911&quot; to save the students. And yet, the POLICE are always considered to be the Great Saviors in stopping crime by the gun controllers and their news media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the biggest UNSAID conundrum is the TOTAL FAILURE of police and their "911" to save the students. And yet, the POLICE are always considered to be the Great Saviors in stopping crime by the gun controllers and their news media.</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it. The thinking on show here is what has the country in such great shape. As a way of pointing out how rare such occurrences are, G.A. wants to know why no one is mentioning the 80 million people who didn&#039;t kill anyone today, and Floyd reckons the best way to protect the 80 million from these rare occurrences is to arm everyone.

If I&#039;ve a gun and he has a gun then, hey, we don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it. The thinking on show here is what has the country in such great shape. As a way of pointing out how rare such occurrences are, G.A. wants to know why no one is mentioning the 80 million people who didn't kill anyone today, and Floyd reckons the best way to protect the 80 million from these rare occurrences is to arm everyone.</p>
<p>If I've a gun and he has a gun then, hey, we don't need no stinkin' laws.</p>
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