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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jury_evenly_split_in_mississippi_murder_case/comment-page-1/#comment-49514</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Denise, on the difference between the federal and state trials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Denise, on the difference between the federal and state trials.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jury_evenly_split_in_mississippi_murder_case/comment-page-1/#comment-49513</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, I think it&#039;s a &quot;show trial&quot; in that there&#039;s an expected outcome that the jury, and Mississippi, will be condemned for failing to deliver, unless they vote guilty on all counts.

(Manslaughter, as it turns out, and sure enough, the news has people saying that this lesser verdict shows how backwards we are.)

I see the prosecution&#039;s closing asked the jury to &quot;send a message,&quot; which is error, tho not necessarily reversible on its own:&lt;blockquote&gt;The jurors are representatives of the community in one sense, but they are not to vote in a representative capacity. Each juror is to apply the law to the evidence and vote accordingly. The issue which each juror must resolve is not whether or not he or she wishes to âsend a messageâ but whether or not he or she believes that the evidence showed the defendant to be guilty of the crime charged. The jury is an arm of the State but it is not an arm of the prosecution. The State includes both the prosecution and the accused. The function of the jury is to weigh the evidence and determine the facts. When the prosecution wishes to send a message they should employ Western Union. Mississippi jurors are not messenger boys.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Williams v. Mississippi&lt;/i&gt;, 522 So. 2d 201.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, I think it's a "show trial" in that there's an expected outcome that the jury, and Mississippi, will be condemned for failing to deliver, unless they vote guilty on all counts.</p>
<p>(Manslaughter, as it turns out, and sure enough, the news has people saying that this lesser verdict shows how backwards we are.)</p>
<p>I see the prosecution's closing asked the jury to "send a message," which is error, tho not necessarily reversible on its own:<br />
<blockquote>The jurors are representatives of the community in one sense, but they are not to vote in a representative capacity. Each juror is to apply the law to the evidence and vote accordingly. The issue which each juror must resolve is not whether or not he or she wishes to âsend a messageâ but whether or not he or she believes that the evidence showed the defendant to be guilty of the crime charged. The jury is an arm of the State but it is not an arm of the prosecution. The State includes both the prosecution and the accused. The function of the jury is to weigh the evidence and determine the facts. When the prosecution wishes to send a message they should employ Western Union. Mississippi jurors are not messenger boys.</p></blockquote>
<p><i>Williams v. Mississippi</i>, 522 So. 2d 201.</p>
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		<title>By: denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, a few things:

1) The jury has now come back with a manslaughter conviction.

2) No double jeopardy issue because there had never been a state murder trial.  There had been a federal conspiracy trial, but the elements are different and dual sovereignty, so that&#039;s why there&#039;s no double jeopardy issue.

3) I just heard an NPR report that indicated the jury never really declared themselves deadlocked.  The judge brought them into court at the end of the day yesterday and asked how they were doing (which is common), at which point the jury (probably the foreman) announced that they were 6-6, which shouldn&#039;t have been said, but it&#039;s not the same at all as announcing a deadlock.  The reporter also said at this point it cannot be known how the 6-6 vote was split, but she thinks it was 6 for murder, 6 for manslaughter.  (I think it could have been 6 for murder, 6 for acquittal, and they agreed on manslaughter as a compromise.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, a few things:</p>
<p>1) The jury has now come back with a manslaughter conviction.</p>
<p>2) No double jeopardy issue because there had never been a state murder trial.  There had been a federal conspiracy trial, but the elements are different and dual sovereignty, so that's why there's no double jeopardy issue.</p>
<p>3) I just heard an NPR report that indicated the jury never really declared themselves deadlocked.  The judge brought them into court at the end of the day yesterday and asked how they were doing (which is common), at which point the jury (probably the foreman) announced that they were 6-6, which shouldn't have been said, but it's not the same at all as announcing a deadlock.  The reporter also said at this point it cannot be known how the 6-6 vote was split, but she thinks it was 6 for murder, 6 for manslaughter.  (I think it could have been 6 for murder, 6 for acquittal, and they agreed on manslaughter as a compromise.)</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as why he could be brought up on the charges now, there is no statute of limitations on murder, at least in Mississippi.  You may consider this a show trial.  I can tell you that many people here, white and black, consider this not a show trial but justice delayed.  Being able to avoid prosecution via political or societal reasons should not lessen either guilt or punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as why he could be brought up on the charges now, there is no statute of limitations on murder, at least in Mississippi.  You may consider this a show trial.  I can tell you that many people here, white and black, consider this not a show trial but justice delayed.  Being able to avoid prosecution via political or societal reasons should not lessen either guilt or punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin:  Not if he was acquitted the first time, he can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin:  Not if he was acquitted the first time, he can't.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(I have only the haziest grasp of criminal law and of why Killen can even be put on trial again.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not up on the facts of this case and am not a lawyer, but as a general rule a defendant can be brought to trial again for the same offense &lt;b&gt;in the event of new evidence&lt;/b&gt; without a double jeopardy issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(I have only the haziest grasp of criminal law and of why Killen can even be put on trial again.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not up on the facts of this case and am not a lawyer, but as a general rule a defendant can be brought to trial again for the same offense <b>in the event of new evidence</b> without a double jeopardy issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Signifying Nothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signifying Nothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Justice and show trials&lt;/strong&gt;

James Joyner comments thusly on the jury deadlock in the Killen trial: One of the many problems with digging up decades-old cases for re-prosecution in order to salve old wounds is that only one outcome is ?acceptable.? Our criminal justice system is s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Justice and show trials</strong></p>
<p>James Joyner comments thusly on the jury deadlock in the Killen trial: One of the many problems with digging up decades-old cases for re-prosecution in order to salve old wounds is that only one outcome is ?acceptable.? Our criminal justice system is s...</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Carlton (aka Jack Lewis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Carlton (aka Jack Lewis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Down here in Mississippi, I&#039;m of mixed feelings about the trial, but I&#039;m starting to think it&#039;s a bad idea, precisely because of the &quot;show trial&quot; quality that the post describes.  (I have only the haziest grasp of criminal law and of why Killen can even be put on trial again.)

It&#039;s a shame that Killen wasn&#039;t convicted in the 1st place, on the facts as we have them, but it&#039;s a sad situation.  The jury must feel pressured to convict lest the rest of the country go &quot;see, still protecting those KKK&#039;ers!&quot;  And knowing my fellow good old boys, I suspect that feeling that pressure will be enough for one or two to acquit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Down here in Mississippi, I'm of mixed feelings about the trial, but I'm starting to think it's a bad idea, precisely because of the "show trial" quality that the post describes.  (I have only the haziest grasp of criminal law and of why Killen can even be put on trial again.)</p>
<p>It's a shame that Killen wasn't convicted in the 1st place, on the facts as we have them, but it's a sad situation.  The jury must feel pressured to convict lest the rest of the country go "see, still protecting those KKK'ers!"  And knowing my fellow good old boys, I suspect that feeling that pressure will be enough for one or two to acquit.</p>
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		<title>By: denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gees Louise!  

What made this jury announce their numerical tally?  And why did the judge let them get that out?

That&#039;s almost as ridiculous as the jury thinking they&#039;re deadlocked after deliberating only 2 hours.

I know judges around here who would actually yell at a jury for such behavior.  I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s a great idea, but I can understand the temptation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gees Louise!  </p>
<p>What made this jury announce their numerical tally?  And why did the judge let them get that out?</p>
<p>That's almost as ridiculous as the jury thinking they're deadlocked after deliberating only 2 hours.</p>
<p>I know judges around here who would actually yell at a jury for such behavior.  I'm not sure that's a great idea, but I can understand the temptation.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont that is how it seems to be in any case involving race.

Just look at the Rodney King case-when the jurors forgot to play their role and convict the officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont that is how it seems to be in any case involving race.</p>
<p>Just look at the Rodney King case-when the jurors forgot to play their role and convict the officers.</p>
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