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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/justice_scalias_police_profesionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-93019</link>
		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve your lead: ”The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again” implied more than you are now willing to allow. Your calling ”bullshit” and ”dishonest” is as hysterical as your comparison of my comments to the people who were complicit in the brutality. You are dead wrong about whether I read Balko’s site. &lt;b&gt;But cursing me and calling me dishonest, and then turning off comments (or just my ability to comment or reply) is really low.&lt;/b&gt; I disagreed with you. Take a chill pill and get off your high horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve your lead: ”The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again” implied more than you are now willing to allow. Your calling ”bullshit” and ”dishonest” is as hysterical as your comparison of my comments to the people who were complicit in the brutality. You are dead wrong about whether I read Balko&rsquo;s site. <b>But cursing me and calling me dishonest, and then turning off comments (or just my ability to comment or reply) is really low.</b> I disagreed with you. Take a chill pill and get off your high horse.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/justice_scalias_police_profesionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-92974</link>
		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve your lead: &lt;b&gt;The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again&lt;/b&gt; implies more than you are now willing to allow.  Your calling &quot;bullshit&quot; and &quot;dishonest&quot; is as hysterical as your comparison of my comments to the people who were complicit in the brutality. You are dead wrong about whether I read Balko&#039;s site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve your lead: <b>The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again</b> implies more than you are now willing to allow.  Your calling "bullshit" and "dishonest" is as hysterical as your comparison of my comments to the people who were complicit in the brutality. You are dead wrong about whether I read Balko's site.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/justice_scalias_police_profesionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-92972</link>
		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read Balko&#039;s article.  Your lead&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;supports my statement, but I could be wrong.  Your comparison of my comment on your post to the people who observed the beating is a little bit hysterical.  You call &quot;bullshit&quot; and &quot;dishonest&quot; more than a little loosely.  Take a chill pill.  Not everyone agrees with you.  Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read Balko's article.  Your lead<br />
<blockquote>"The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again."</p></blockquote>
<p>supports my statement, but I could be wrong.  Your comparison of my comment on your post to the people who observed the beating is a little bit hysterical.  You call "bullshit" and "dishonest" more than a little loosely.  Take a chill pill.  Not everyone agrees with you.  Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/justice_scalias_police_profesionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-92968</link>
		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: My applause isn&#039;t bullshit.  Your calling bullshit is founded on nothing but anger and its a bit of an oversensitive reaction.

I did read Radley Balko&#039;s post and even read links there.

I didn&#039;t say that &quot;by speaking out about police brutality you are saying all cops are pigs.&quot;  However, I do read your lead-in that way: &lt;blockquote&gt;The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe I&#039;m wrong. I don&#039;t think so.

Your hysterical finding that my comment is like witnessing the beating myself and doing nothing about it?  That&#039;s bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: My applause isn't bullshit.  Your calling bullshit is founded on nothing but anger and its a bit of an oversensitive reaction.</p>
<p>I did read Radley Balko's post and even read links there.</p>
<p>I didn't say that "by speaking out about police brutality you are saying all cops are pigs."  However, I do read your lead-in that way:<br />
<blockquote>The latest in police professionalism comes to us once again.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think so.</p>
<p>Your hysterical finding that my comment is like witnessing the beating myself and doing nothing about it?  That's bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Steve: I applaud continuing honest efforts to root out bad cops and to police the police. However - you and Radley give more than a whiff of anti-cop that most people get over after college. All that’s missing is a reference to “the pigs”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is bullshit and you know it.  And cut it out with that bullshit applause. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;These individual cops might be thugs, but “cops” are not. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

And where have I made such blanket statements.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for Scalia, you cannot seriously argue that general police standards today are not more professional than they were in the past. (double negative!) You and Radley each begin with a cheap shot that has little to do with this particular instance of apparent brutality. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Admit it you haven&#039;t gone and read anything at Balko&#039;s site.  You have decided that this is a statistical anomaly so therefore ignore it.  That is just despicable.  That is what all the other cops, nurses, and people that were witnesses to the beating did.  They ignore the bad cops beating a man to death right in front of them.

The problem is that we have some thug cops.  These cops give the honest ones a bad rap.  Then the good cops make it even worse by covering for the bad ones.

And by speaking out about this, I think all cops are pigs?  Your dishonesty is quite apparent slickpdx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Steve: I applaud continuing honest efforts to root out bad cops and to police the police. However - you and Radley give more than a whiff of anti-cop that most people get over after college. All that&rsquo;s missing is a reference to “the pigs”. </p></blockquote>
<p>That is bullshit and you know it.  And cut it out with that bullshit applause. </p>
<blockquote><p>These individual cops might be thugs, but “cops” are not. </p></blockquote>
<p>And where have I made such blanket statements.</p>
<blockquote><p>As for Scalia, you cannot seriously argue that general police standards today are not more professional than they were in the past. (double negative!) You and Radley each begin with a cheap shot that has little to do with this particular instance of apparent brutality. </p></blockquote>
<p>Admit it you haven't gone and read anything at Balko's site.  You have decided that this is a statistical anomaly so therefore ignore it.  That is just despicable.  That is what all the other cops, nurses, and people that were witnesses to the beating did.  They ignore the bad cops beating a man to death right in front of them.</p>
<p>The problem is that we have some thug cops.  These cops give the honest ones a bad rap.  Then the good cops make it even worse by covering for the bad ones.</p>
<p>And by speaking out about this, I think all cops are pigs?  Your dishonesty is quite apparent slickpdx.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
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		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: I applaud continuing honest efforts to root out bad cops and to police the police. However - you and Radley give more than a whiff of anti-cop that most people get over after college.  All that&#039;s missing is a reference to &quot;the pigs&quot;.  These individual cops might be thugs, but &quot;cops&quot; are not.  As for Scalia, you cannot seriously argue that general police standards today are not more professional than they were in the past. (double negative!)  You and Radley each begin with a cheap shot that has little to do with this particular instance of apparent brutality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: I applaud continuing honest efforts to root out bad cops and to police the police. However - you and Radley give more than a whiff of anti-cop that most people get over after college.  All that's missing is a reference to "the pigs".  These individual cops might be thugs, but "cops" are not.  As for Scalia, you cannot seriously argue that general police standards today are not more professional than they were in the past. (double negative!)  You and Radley each begin with a cheap shot that has little to do with this particular instance of apparent brutality.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All of my comments with regards to this issue, IIRC, dwell on the hyperbole that you and Radley use. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What hyperbole?  Where have I said there should be no police, no guns or lots of guns, or that criminals should be allowed to run rampant or any of the idiotic hyperbole you imply I support?  The answer is there is no hyperbole.  Yes I was sarcastic about the beatings down there in Harrison county, but guess what...there are surprisingly quite a few beatings that go on down there.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you wish to see bad cops prosecuted, by all means advocate for that. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And what?  Stop showing people what bad cops do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All of my comments with regards to this issue, IIRC, dwell on the hyperbole that you and Radley use. </p></blockquote>
<p>What hyperbole?  Where have I said there should be no police, no guns or lots of guns, or that criminals should be allowed to run rampant or any of the idiotic hyperbole you imply I support?  The answer is there is no hyperbole.  Yes I was sarcastic about the beatings down there in Harrison county, but guess what...there are surprisingly quite a few beatings that go on down there.</p>
<blockquote><p>If you wish to see bad cops prosecuted, by all means advocate for that. </p></blockquote>
<p>And what?  Stop showing people what bad cops do?</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BTW, I was serious, what percentage of cops are bad? 1%? 5%? 10%? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK Fersboo - I&#039;ll bite.

The problem is that as long as good cops protect bad cops, &lt;em&gt;it&#039;s impossible to know&lt;/em&gt;. Every time one of these incidents that Steve and Radly rant about happens, it drags down the public&#039;s trust in &amp; respect for police in general.

Cops have to be held to a higher standard, but as long as good cops are unwilling or unable to hold themselves to that standard, these things will continue to happen. Under these circumstances, reform can never come from within - it will have to be imposed by a higher civil authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BTW, I was serious, what percentage of cops are bad? 1%? 5%? 10%? </p></blockquote>
<p>OK Fersboo - I'll bite.</p>
<p>The problem is that as long as good cops protect bad cops, <em>it's impossible to know</em>. Every time one of these incidents that Steve and Radly rant about happens, it drags down the public's trust in &amp; respect for police in general.</p>
<p>Cops have to be held to a higher standard, but as long as good cops are unwilling or unable to hold themselves to that standard, these things will continue to happen. Under these circumstances, reform can never come from within - it will have to be imposed by a higher civil authority.</p>
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		<title>By: ehampto2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ehampto2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Justice Scalia’s Police Professionalism...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Fersboo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/justice_scalias_police_profesionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-92798</link>
		<dc:creator>Fersboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve

Feel free to delete any comment you would like, however, you continue to complain ad nauseum.  If the facts above are accruate, why then has the incident not been investigated?  Surely State or Federal agencies have jurisdiction if the local police chief refuses to investigate.  Wasn&#039;t Jessie&#039;s federal civil rights violated?

All of my comments with regards to this issue, IIRC, dwell on the hyperbole that you and Radley use.  If you wish to see bad cops prosecuted, by all means advocate for that.  

BTW, I was serious, what percentage of cops are bad? 1%? 5%? 10%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve</p>
<p>Feel free to delete any comment you would like, however, you continue to complain ad nauseum.  If the facts above are accruate, why then has the incident not been investigated?  Surely State or Federal agencies have jurisdiction if the local police chief refuses to investigate.  Wasn't Jessie's federal civil rights violated?</p>
<p>All of my comments with regards to this issue, IIRC, dwell on the hyperbole that you and Radley use.  If you wish to see bad cops prosecuted, by all means advocate for that.  </p>
<p>BTW, I was serious, what percentage of cops are bad? 1%? 5%? 10%?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These monsters exist because we let them.  It takes people like Balko and Verdon exposing them for us to see what has been created.

Bad cops are tolerated by police chiefs, city councils and ultimately we citizens.  Until we work the system over from the top down we will continue to see this sort of tragedy.

Attitudes must change and I would suggest following Balko&#039;s advice and lobby against paramilitary mindsets at the local level.  It leads to no where good.

The light of day must be cast upon incidents such as this and hopefully the disinfectant properties of that sunlight will clean things up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These monsters exist because we let them.  It takes people like Balko and Verdon exposing them for us to see what has been created.</p>
<p>Bad cops are tolerated by police chiefs, city councils and ultimately we citizens.  Until we work the system over from the top down we will continue to see this sort of tragedy.</p>
<p>Attitudes must change and I would suggest following Balko's advice and lobby against paramilitary mindsets at the local level.  It leads to no where good.</p>
<p>The light of day must be cast upon incidents such as this and hopefully the disinfectant properties of that sunlight will clean things up.</p>
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		<title>By: randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked a close friend who is a cop why good cops never turn in bad cops, he told me that when your life is in danger and you call for backup it might be a &quot;bad cop&quot; that saves your life. He said he doesn&#039;t like it but that&#039;s the way the system is. Just like in highway work zone, when a cop breaks the law the fines should triple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked a close friend who is a cop why good cops never turn in bad cops, he told me that when your life is in danger and you call for backup it might be a "bad cop" that saves your life. He said he doesn't like it but that's the way the system is. Just like in highway work zone, when a cop breaks the law the fines should triple.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police have are a law unto themselves.  They operate under the Code of Silence, much like the Mafia&#039;s &quot;Umerta.&quot;  They believe their own BS that they are the thin blue line standing between civilization and anarchy.  We deserve much better from our civil servants.  I don&#039;t have complaints about 99% of the police out there.  The ones I&#039;ve run across have all been professional, but that doesn&#039;t excuse the 1% that cross the line and the protection of these thugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police have are a law unto themselves.  They operate under the Code of Silence, much like the Mafia's "Umerta."  They believe their own BS that they are the thin blue line standing between civilization and anarchy.  We deserve much better from our civil servants.  I don't have complaints about 99% of the police out there.  The ones I've run across have all been professional, but that doesn't excuse the 1% that cross the line and the protection of these thugs.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - please do not give the impression I suggested this pic was a Photoshop job.  That was another entirely different thread.  You have no disagreement from me about police thuggery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve - please do not give the impression I suggested this pic was a Photoshop job.  That was another entirely different thread.  You have no disagreement from me about police thuggery.</p>
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		<title>By: kcarmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>kcarmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Justice Scalia’s Police Profesionalism...&lt;/strong&gt;

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