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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Popular Vote vs. Electoral College</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Popular Vote vs. Electoral College</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCain narrowly winning the electoral college and, consequently, being elected president. See also James Joyner&#8217;s post on the electoral college from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] McCain narrowly winning the electoral college and, consequently, being elected president. See also James Joyner&#8217;s post on the electoral college from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/killing_the_electoral_college/comment-page-1/#comment-513331</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about NO.
Our nation is a Republic, made of States, it is not a TV game show or a football game between red and blue.  There are reasons for the complexity of our government. We should not &quot;dumb down&quot; the system we&#039;ve built over the past 230+ years just because you want a nice TV event that you can watch at a TV party as if it were the Superbowl.

Read the Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. Pick up a history book. If you don&#039;t understand our government, don&#039;t know the job of the President, and don&#039;t care how it all works, why are you voting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about NO.<br />
Our nation is a Republic, made of States, it is not a TV game show or a football game between red and blue.  There are reasons for the complexity of our government. We should not "dumb down" the system we've built over the past 230+ years just because you want a nice TV event that you can watch at a TV party as if it were the Superbowl.</p>
<p>Read the Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. Pick up a history book. If you don't understand our government, don't know the job of the President, and don't care how it all works, why are you voting?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/killing_the_electoral_college/comment-page-1/#comment-513284</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I was gonna write something to the effect at my own place, but In searching around, I found someone had &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-dantoni/talon-news-endorses-georg_b_107962.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;already beat me to it. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I was gonna write something to the effect at my own place, but In searching around, I found someone had <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-dantoni/talon-news-endorses-georg_b_107962.html" rel="nofollow">already beat me to it. </a></p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/killing_the_electoral_college/comment-page-1/#comment-513277</link>
		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about -- Papoon for President, You know he&#039;s not insane.
(at least Bithead should get that one)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about -- Papoon for President, You know he's not insane.<br />
(at least Bithead should get that one)</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/killing_the_electoral_college/comment-page-1/#comment-513276</link>
		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Eliminating the Electoral College and going to the popular vote would mean that every vote of every citizen is utterly equal. As such, it is nonsensical to speak of CA or NY electing the president. &lt;b&gt;The borders of the states wouldn&#039;t make any difference in terms of the vote itself.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes the borders do make a difference. If a standing president promises and provide a big block of funding to California, for example, right before an Election, those in Nevada get no benefit. Its a vote is a vote, but the political favors and spending would be applied to the larger populace states and cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Eliminating the Electoral College and going to the popular vote would mean that every vote of every citizen is utterly equal. As such, it is nonsensical to speak of CA or NY electing the president. <b>The borders of the states wouldn't make any difference in terms of the vote itself.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Yes the borders do make a difference. If a standing president promises and provide a big block of funding to California, for example, right before an Election, those in Nevada get no benefit. Its a vote is a vote, but the political favors and spending would be applied to the larger populace states and cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you all have missed the best reason for keeping the EC.  We localize any voting problems.  Every voting system has an error rate.  Let us assume that the error rate is 1%.  (this is lower than some and higher than others)

Any national election within the error rate would have to have a manual recount and subject our largest cities (chicago, new york, seattle, LA) to intense questions about the way we vote.  Fact is it would take the lawyers and Supreme court about a year or two to count the votes of any election.  Can you imagine an recount involving Chicago?  

And I haven&#039;t even gotten to voter registration law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you all have missed the best reason for keeping the EC.  We localize any voting problems.  Every voting system has an error rate.  Let us assume that the error rate is 1%.  (this is lower than some and higher than others)</p>
<p>Any national election within the error rate would have to have a manual recount and subject our largest cities (chicago, new york, seattle, LA) to intense questions about the way we vote.  Fact is it would take the lawyers and Supreme court about a year or two to count the votes of any election.  Can you imagine an recount involving Chicago?  </p>
<p>And I haven't even gotten to voter registration law.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stronger than the Articles of Confederation but weak compare to other governments.</description>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  don&#039;t see the electoral college being changed to popular vote-for one thing too many small states would be voting against their self interest.

One of my favorite solutions would be a state level one, and that is to divide the electoral college votes by congressional district with the third going to the popular vote winner state wide.  I think a couple of states already do this.

But I don&#039;t see a move towards a popular vote winner having much success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  don't see the electoral college being changed to popular vote-for one thing too many small states would be voting against their self interest.</p>
<p>One of my favorite solutions would be a state level one, and that is to divide the electoral college votes by congressional district with the third going to the popular vote winner state wide.  I think a couple of states already do this.</p>
<p>But I don't see a move towards a popular vote winner having much success.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Our founding fathers design this system to have a weak Central Government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Articles of Confederation were designed to have a weak central government, the Constitution was designed to make a stronger one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Our founding fathers design this system to have a weak Central Government.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Articles of Confederation were designed to have a weak central government, the Constitution was designed to make a stronger one.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If one is arguing that the more populated parts of the country would have an impact on the election directly proportional to the size of the population in question, well that has a name: democracy.”

Yes and the U.S. is a Republic. Are you suggesting we overthrow our Government? Perhaps you think we should do away with State’s borders entirely?  

Our founding fathers design this system to have a weak Central Government. It was originally design around the individual rights first then local then State then lastly Federal rights. Unfortunately we have lost that wisdom. We have allowed the central government to become way too powerful and that will be our ultimate downfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If one is arguing that the more populated parts of the country would have an impact on the election directly proportional to the size of the population in question, well that has a name: democracy.”</p>
<p>Yes and the U.S. is a Republic. Are you suggesting we overthrow our Government? Perhaps you think we should do away with State&rsquo;s borders entirely?  </p>
<p>Our founding fathers design this system to have a weak Central Government. It was originally design around the individual rights first then local then State then lastly Federal rights. Unfortunately we have lost that wisdom. We have allowed the central government to become way too powerful and that will be our ultimate downfall.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Back to the Electoral College</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Back to the Electoral College</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] response to my &#8220;what if?&#8221; question from last night, James Joyner posted on the subject of the EC this morning, wherein he correctly notes that EC is unlikely to be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] response to my &#8220;what if?&#8221; question from last night, James Joyner posted on the subject of the EC this morning, wherein he correctly notes that EC is unlikely to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If one is arguing that the more populated parts of the country would have an impact on the election directly proportional to the size of the population in question, well that has a name: democracy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yes, but as we&#039;ve said before, democracy does not necessarily translate to liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If one is arguing that the more populated parts of the country would have an impact on the election directly proportional to the size of the population in question, well that has a name: democracy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, but as we've said before, democracy does not necessarily translate to liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet Ashworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet Ashworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re still going to have to vote in November - right?</description>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;financial sector collapses could also have significant impact on the race.&quot;&quot;
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 KRAMER for PRESIDENT!!</description>
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<p> KRAMER for PRESIDENT!!</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If one is arguing that the more populated parts of the country would have an impact on the election directly proportional to the size of the population in question, well that has a name: democracy.

This is to be contrasted, by the way, with a system that weighs the vote of some citizens (e.g., Alaskans) as counting more that the votes of citizens.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Give me a break Steven--The REAL America is in places like Alaska, Wyoming, and the small town America that patriots like Sarah Palin have led.

The cities--while they generate most of the country&#039;s wealth and culture--are filled with liberals and immigrants and are, by their very definition, cesspools of iniquity and evil.

If we let those clowns have a equal vote, it would be like Israel letting inhabitants of the occupied territories vote:  We would be sent a-packing by the cabal of cosmopolitan community organizers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If one is arguing that the more populated parts of the country would have an impact on the election directly proportional to the size of the population in question, well that has a name: democracy.</p>
<p>This is to be contrasted, by the way, with a system that weighs the vote of some citizens (e.g., Alaskans) as counting more that the votes of citizens.</p>
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<p>Give me a break Steven--The REAL America is in places like Alaska, Wyoming, and the small town America that patriots like Sarah Palin have led.</p>
<p>The cities--while they generate most of the country's wealth and culture--are filled with liberals and immigrants and are, by their very definition, cesspools of iniquity and evil.</p>
<p>If we let those clowns have a equal vote, it would be like Israel letting inhabitants of the occupied territories vote:  We would be sent a-packing by the cabal of cosmopolitan community organizers.</p>
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