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	<title>Comments on: Krugman vs. Krugman</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/krugman_vs_krugman/comment-page-1/#comment-207872</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mankiw is a dishonest hack.

Anyone who has looked at these issue for more than 6 seconds knows that social security is relatively stable and solvent, but medicare is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mankiw is a dishonest hack.</p>
<p>Anyone who has looked at these issue for more than 6 seconds knows that social security is relatively stable and solvent, but medicare is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most flat tax plans of which I&#039;m aware (the FairTax plan, for example) eliminate FICA entirely, replacing it with the flat tax.

And, yes, taxing all W-2 income would ensure Social Security solvency.  And then some&#8212;it would be one of the largest tax increases in American history if it were done at current FICA rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most flat tax plans of which I'm aware (the FairTax plan, for example) eliminate FICA entirely, replacing it with the flat tax.</p>
<p>And, yes, taxing all W-2 income would ensure Social Security solvency.  And then some&mdash;it would be one of the largest tax increases in American history if it were done at current FICA rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do flat tax plans include social security as a flat rate on 100% of income, or do they still leave it as only taxable on the first $97,500?  I&#039;m curious if taking social security taxes from 100% of income would provide it with the funding it needs, maybe even at a reduced rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do flat tax plans include social security as a flat rate on 100% of income, or do they still leave it as only taxable on the first $97,500?  I'm curious if taking social security taxes from 100% of income would provide it with the funding it needs, maybe even at a reduced rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Outpost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Outpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Daily Roundup...&lt;/strong&gt;

From &#039;round the sphere...
NEWS:
*  For Retiring Republicans, Several Explanations - NY Times
* Huckabee not conservative enough for some - The Politico
* Rudy still workign at firm he promised to leave - Washington Post
* Tongues sharpened for d...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Daily Roundup...</strong></p>
<p>From &#39;round the sphere...<br />
NEWS:<br />
*  For Retiring Republicans, Several Explanations - NY Times<br />
* Huckabee not conservative enough for some - The Politico<br />
* Rudy still workign at firm he promised to leave - Washington Post<br />
* Tongues sharpened for d...</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No kidding. Mankiw actually stopped accepting comments because too many people started seeing the hackjobs like this one for what they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kidding. Mankiw actually stopped accepting comments because too many people started seeing the hackjobs like this one for what they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My takeaway is that Greg Mankiw is glibly dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My takeaway is that Greg Mankiw is glibly dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disaggregating Social Security and Medicare does change the picture somewhat.  If Dr. Krugman were speaking about Social Security only in both cases, it would improve the case that Dr.Krugman is less interested in policy than in partisan gain.  As it stands the case is less strong.

Before solutions are proposed it&#039;s probably a good idea to consider the political constraints for the solutions.  We&#039;re not going to eliminate either the Social Security or the Medicare programs.  They&#039;ll continue to exist in some form for the foreseeable future.  Within those constraints what&#039;s the best solution for solving the prospective Social Security imbalance.

I continue to believe that whatever problem exists with Social Security will be corrected as it has before:  with a combination of increasing the Social Security retirement age, increasing the FICA rate, reducing the benefit level, and borrowing.  One may rail against the unfairness of it all (as I&#039;m sure will be done in comments to this post) but that&#039;s what&#039;s going to happen.

The prescription depends somewhat on what one thinks the problem with Social Security is.  It&#039;s generally painted as being too few workers supporting too many benefit recipients but I think that&#039;s too narrow a view.  Our society has changed (largely, in my opinion, through the confluence of government policy decisions and technological change) so that most income increases over the last 30 years have been concentrated in the top decile, indeed, in the top 1% of income earners.

Consequently, it&#039;s not a case of too few workers supporting too many beneficit recipients.  It&#039;s an increasing proportion of income excluded from the tax.  If that&#039;s the case the solutions are to change policies so that median incomes increase (and FICA revenues along with them), or subject a much higher proportion of income to the tax either by raising FICA max substantially or eliminating it altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disaggregating Social Security and Medicare does change the picture somewhat.  If Dr. Krugman were speaking about Social Security only in both cases, it would improve the case that Dr.Krugman is less interested in policy than in partisan gain.  As it stands the case is less strong.</p>
<p>Before solutions are proposed it's probably a good idea to consider the political constraints for the solutions.  We're not going to eliminate either the Social Security or the Medicare programs.  They'll continue to exist in some form for the foreseeable future.  Within those constraints what's the best solution for solving the prospective Social Security imbalance.</p>
<p>I continue to believe that whatever problem exists with Social Security will be corrected as it has before:  with a combination of increasing the Social Security retirement age, increasing the FICA rate, reducing the benefit level, and borrowing.  One may rail against the unfairness of it all (as I'm sure will be done in comments to this post) but that's what's going to happen.</p>
<p>The prescription depends somewhat on what one thinks the problem with Social Security is.  It's generally painted as being too few workers supporting too many benefit recipients but I think that's too narrow a view.  Our society has changed (largely, in my opinion, through the confluence of government policy decisions and technological change) so that most income increases over the last 30 years have been concentrated in the top decile, indeed, in the top 1% of income earners.</p>
<p>Consequently, it's not a case of too few workers supporting too many beneficit recipients.  It's an increasing proportion of income excluded from the tax.  If that's the case the solutions are to change policies so that median incomes increase (and FICA revenues along with them), or subject a much higher proportion of income to the tax either by raising FICA max substantially or eliminating it altogether.</p>
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