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	<title>Comments on: LA Times Sportswriter Mike Penner Becoming Christine</title>
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		<title>By: overview by newandyke (on reddit.com)</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/la_times_sportswriter_mike_penner_becoming_christine_/comment-page-1/#comment-124037</link>
		<dc:creator>overview by newandyke (on reddit.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 12:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Sex Change for Sportswriter Mike Penner  (outsidethebeltway.com) [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Netscape</title>
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		<dc:creator>Netscape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 08:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;He has seen a psychiatrist.&lt;/em&gt;

Indeed.  Presuming he&#039;s following the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tc.umn.edu/~colem001/hbigda/hstndrd.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;protocols&lt;/a&gt; of the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association (HBIGDA), s/he&#039;s been through extensive counseling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>He has seen a psychiatrist.</em></p>
<p>Indeed.  Presuming he's following the <a href="http://www.tc.umn.edu/~colem001/hbigda/hstndrd.htm" rel="nofollow">protocols</a> of the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association (HBIGDA), s/he's been through extensive counseling.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/la_times_sportswriter_mike_penner_becoming_christine_/comment-page-1/#comment-122022</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What a screwed up guy Penner is. Before he goes and gets his package chopped off, he should see a psychiatrist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And here we have the a fine example of the intolerant ignorami in our society....He has seen a psychiatrist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What a screwed up guy Penner is. Before he goes and gets his package chopped off, he should see a psychiatrist.</p></blockquote>
<p>And here we have the a fine example of the intolerant ignorami in our society....He has seen a psychiatrist.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a screwed up guy Penner is.  Before he goes and gets his package chopped off, he should see a psychiatrist.

Sick, just sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a screwed up guy Penner is.  Before he goes and gets his package chopped off, he should see a psychiatrist.</p>
<p>Sick, just sick.</p>
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		<title>By: NukemHill</title>
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		<dc:creator>NukemHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your openness about this subject and willingness to discuss it.  It&#039;s an interesting and fascinating world we live in, and the only way we&#039;re going to get through prejudices is by having these types of conversations.

I&#039;ve known three transgendered people (that I&#039;m aware of) in my life.  One happened during my tenure at Sony, and caused an interesting ripple through our group.  It came as a shock, for one thing.  When he announced it, we had a company-wide (we were a small subdivision of Sony at the time so it was no big deal) meeting to hear the announcement.  Management&#039;s position was--deal with it.  He&#039;s made his decision.  We support it, and we&#039;re not going to put up with any crap from anyone.  It was actually kinda refreshing.  There were, of course, some interesting side conversations for a few weeks.  But it settled down and life was normal.

One interesting statistic that I&#039;ve heard repeatedly:  Some ridiculously high percentage of sex-change recipients end their lives in suicide.  I don&#039;t remember the exact number, but it might even be a majority.  It&#039;s extremely difficult both physically and emotionally, and there is a need for long-term, intensive, therapy.  A lot of recipients don&#039;t continue their therapy, for whatever reasons.  Of course, many people who go into this process have had very screwed up and traumatic lives to begin with, so I&#039;m not sure if there&#039;s a causative, or merely correlative, relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your openness about this subject and willingness to discuss it.  It's an interesting and fascinating world we live in, and the only way we're going to get through prejudices is by having these types of conversations.</p>
<p>I've known three transgendered people (that I'm aware of) in my life.  One happened during my tenure at Sony, and caused an interesting ripple through our group.  It came as a shock, for one thing.  When he announced it, we had a company-wide (we were a small subdivision of Sony at the time so it was no big deal) meeting to hear the announcement.  Management's position was--deal with it.  He's made his decision.  We support it, and we're not going to put up with any crap from anyone.  It was actually kinda refreshing.  There were, of course, some interesting side conversations for a few weeks.  But it settled down and life was normal.</p>
<p>One interesting statistic that I've heard repeatedly:  Some ridiculously high percentage of sex-change recipients end their lives in suicide.  I don't remember the exact number, but it might even be a majority.  It's extremely difficult both physically and emotionally, and there is a need for long-term, intensive, therapy.  A lot of recipients don't continue their therapy, for whatever reasons.  Of course, many people who go into this process have had very screwed up and traumatic lives to begin with, so I'm not sure if there's a causative, or merely correlative, relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Say Goodbye to Mark, Say Hello to Christine:...&lt;/strong&gt;

Veteran LA Times sportswriter Mike Penner announced he&#039;s about to undergo sexual reassignment surgery. &quot;I don’t pretend to understand what someone who is so sure that their body doesn’t match up with their sexual identity goes through, let alone ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Say Goodbye to Mark, Say Hello to Christine:...</strong></p>
<p>Veteran LA Times sportswriter Mike Penner announced he's about to undergo sexual reassignment surgery. "I don&rsquo;t pretend to understand what someone who is so sure that their body doesn&rsquo;t match up with their sexual identity goes through, let alone ...</p>
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		<title>By: Hyscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;LA Times Sportswriter Mike Penner Becoming Christine...&lt;/strong&gt;

Honestly, you really in truly just can&#039;t make this stuff up! Go ahead and say it: You&#039;re right, I&#039;m insensitive and not very PC. And frankly Charlotte, I really don&#039;t give a damn. In my book, you are what you are; you deal with it. What ever happen...</description>
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<p>Honestly, you really in truly just can't make this stuff up! Go ahead and say it: You're right, I'm insensitive and not very PC. And frankly Charlotte, I really don't give a damn. In my book, you are what you are; you deal with it. What ever happen...</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely not the kind of thing that someone embarks on by mistake, though Anthony Kennedy might think we need to protect would-be transsexuals from doing something they&#039;ll regret later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely not the kind of thing that someone embarks on by mistake, though Anthony Kennedy might think we need to protect would-be transsexuals from doing something they'll regret later.</p>
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