Comments on: Landis Stripped of Tour Title after Confirmation of Doping http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:19:10 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93165 James Joyner Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:12:30 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93165 Mac: Yep, that's the smear campaign I referenced. Still, at the end of the day, Lance tested clean every time. Landis came up dirty on both samples for his most recent ride. So, either the French are stepping up their campaign to the point of planting evidence--which, presumably, would kill the Tour de France as a legitimate sporting event if found--or Landis was actually doping. The only reason I hesistate at all is just that it makes no sense to me for him to have cheated only the last stage of the Tour knowing there was testing in place. Mac:

Yep, that's the smear campaign I referenced. Still, at the end of the day, Lance tested clean every time. Landis came up dirty on both samples for his most recent ride.

So, either the French are stepping up their campaign to the point of planting evidence--which, presumably, would kill the Tour de France as a legitimate sporting event if found--or Landis was actually doping. The only reason I hesistate at all is just that it makes no sense to me for him to have cheated only the last stage of the Tour knowing there was testing in place.

]]> By: Mac http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93161 Mac Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:48:26 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93161 <blockquote>smears aside, the French let the hated Lance Armstrong walk away with 7 Tour titles. Why not trick up his results rather than a previous unknown’s?</blockquote> The French didn't "let" Armstrong "walk away" with anything. They continually accused him of doping and spent years trying to smear his record and plant doubt as to his legitimacy. Not a win went by that they didn't "suggest" that the only reason he won "their" tour was because he was doping. Then you have that jealous and bitter has-been Lemond running his mouth screaming that Armstrong had to be doping in order to perform at his levels. They are STILL trying to strip Armstrong of his titles and convince the world he's guilty of doping. It STILL HASN'T STOPPED. The French didn't let hem "walk away" with anything. Read <a href="http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/aug05/aug23news3" rel="nofollow">the link</a> below. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/aug05/aug23news3 mac www.brownsludge.com

smears aside, the French let the hated Lance Armstrong walk away with 7 Tour titles. Why not trick up his results rather than a previous unknown’s?

The French didn't "let" Armstrong "walk away" with anything.

They continually accused him of doping and spent years trying to smear his record and plant doubt as to his legitimacy.

Not a win went by that they didn't "suggest" that the only reason he won "their" tour was because he was doping.

Then you have that jealous and bitter has-been Lemond running his mouth screaming that Armstrong had to be doping in order to perform at his levels.

They are STILL trying to strip Armstrong of his titles and convince the world he's guilty of doping. It STILL HASN'T STOPPED.

The French didn't let hem "walk away" with anything.

Read the link below.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/aug05/aug23news3

mac
http://www.brownsludge.com

]]> By: Chris Lawrence http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93143 Chris Lawrence Sun, 06 Aug 2006 03:46:41 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93143 The thing that puzzles me is that he's only "not clean" on 1 of 8 or 9 samples over the course of the tour for a performance enhancing drug that simply doesn't work in 24 hours. Then again, the whole concept of "Type I error" seems to fly over the head of the doping police, so what do I know? The thing that puzzles me is that he's only "not clean" on 1 of 8 or 9 samples over the course of the tour for a performance enhancing drug that simply doesn't work in 24 hours.

Then again, the whole concept of "Type I error" seems to fly over the head of the doping police, so what do I know?

]]> By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93141 James Joyner Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:43:32 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93141 Floyd: But, smears aside, the French let the hated Lance Armstrong walk away with 7 Tour titles. Why not trick up his results rather than a previous unknown's? Floyd: But, smears aside, the French let the hated Lance Armstrong walk away with 7 Tour titles. Why not trick up his results rather than a previous unknown's?

]]> By: floyd http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93135 floyd Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:03:35 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93135 james;as you say "we'll never know". but in view of the constant assault on lemond & armstrong as well as the "blind eye" to french riders indescretions. i'll believe it when landis says it is so. his veracity is clearly superior to that of his accusors. james;as you say "we'll never know". but in view of the constant assault on lemond & armstrong as well as the "blind eye" to french riders indescretions. i'll believe it when landis says it is so. his veracity is clearly superior to that of his accusors.

]]> By: just me http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93104 just me Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:51:50 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93104 This is sad, but I think I agree with NRO, I suspect that a good portion of racers are dirty. It seems to be pretty common for any type of endurance sport. This is sad, but I think I agree with NRO, I suspect that a good portion of racers are dirty. It seems to be pretty common for any type of endurance sport.

]]> By: Anderson http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93099 Anderson Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:14:06 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93099 <em>why would someone do something so blatantly obvious???</em> The suggestion I heard on NPR is the belief that everyone's doing it, so that you're basically writing yourself off if you abstain. why would someone do something so blatantly obvious???

The suggestion I heard on NPR is the belief that everyone's doing it, so that you're basically writing yourself off if you abstain.

]]> By: Michael Demmons http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93097 Michael Demmons Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:09 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93097 I know how the evidence looks, but I still can't get past the fact that I find it extremely suspicious. I mean, why would someone do something so blatantly obvious??? I know how the evidence looks, but I still can't get past the fact that I find it extremely suspicious. I mean, why would someone do something so blatantly obvious???

]]> By: DaveD http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93087 DaveD Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:20:21 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93087 Considering all the hype prior to this race of riders being disqualified for likely use of banned medications, I am surprised that Landis would fall prey to this. Do any of you know how long after medicating oneself these steroids remain in the body at sufficient levels to register on these urine tests? Considering all the hype prior to this race of riders being disqualified for likely use of banned medications, I am surprised that Landis would fall prey to this. Do any of you know how long after medicating oneself these steroids remain in the body at sufficient levels to register on these urine tests?

]]> By: Steve Verdon http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93084 Steve Verdon Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:55:23 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93084 Wow am I disappointed. I didn't want this to be true, but the chances that both samples were contaminated is very unlikely. I know some are pushing a conspiracy against American cyclists, but I'm just not buying it. Wow am I disappointed. I didn't want this to be true, but the chances that both samples were contaminated is very unlikely. I know some are pushing a conspiracy against American cyclists, but I'm just not buying it.

]]> By: Anderson http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93076 Anderson Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:30:30 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93076 If he *was* set up, (1) the conspiracy would have to involve several persons, and (2) one of those will eventually opt for the attention & cash from a tell-all interview somewhere outside French jurisdiction. On NPR's Marketplace, I heard the # 2 finisher quoted as saying that Landis legitimately outperformed everyone else, & as far as he was concerned, that made Landis # 1 whatever the "bureaucracy" said. It sure seems to be the case that all the top racers use these drugs, and that some (like Armstrong?) are just better at not getting caught. The argument for throwing it open to whatever drugs are thought to be helpful is not a bad one. If he *was* set up, (1) the conspiracy would have to involve several persons, and (2) one of those will eventually opt for the attention & cash from a tell-all interview somewhere outside French jurisdiction.

On NPR's Marketplace, I heard the # 2 finisher quoted as saying that Landis legitimately outperformed everyone else, & as far as he was concerned, that made Landis # 1 whatever the "bureaucracy" said.

It sure seems to be the case that all the top racers use these drugs, and that some (like Armstrong?) are just better at not getting caught. The argument for throwing it open to whatever drugs are thought to be helpful is not a bad one.

]]> By: Skul http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93064 Skul Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:41:16 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93064 Naturally this will now be used by the freaks to smear and discredit Lance Armstrong. I expect the first smear to come on Monday. Naturally this will now be used by the freaks to smear and discredit Lance Armstrong. I expect the first smear to come on Monday.

]]> By: The Florida Masochist http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/comment-page-1/#comment-93063 The Florida Masochist Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:31:50 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/landis_stripped_of_tour_title_after_confirmation_of_doping/#comment-93063 <strong>The Knucklehead of the Day award...</strong> Today's winner is Floyd Landis.... The Knucklehead of the Day award...

Today's winner is Floyd Landis....

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