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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/leon_panetta_speaking_fees_scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-885149</link>
		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason people pay exorbitant sums to the likes of Panetta to &quot;speak&quot; and &quot;consult&quot; is to gain access to his network.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought that was why people paid 4 bucks for coffee at Starbucks....

But hey, what do &quot;I&quot; &quot;know&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The reason people pay exorbitant sums to the likes of Panetta to "speak" and "consult" is to gain access to his network.</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought that was why people paid 4 bucks for coffee at Starbucks....</p>
<p>But hey, what do "I" "know"?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/leon_panetta_speaking_fees_scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-885135</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can you explain how giving speeches and consulting equates to lobbying? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The reason people pay exorbitant sums to the likes of Panetta to &quot;speak&quot; and &quot;consult&quot; is to gain access to his network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can you explain how giving speeches and consulting equates to lobbying? </p></blockquote>
<p>The reason people pay exorbitant sums to the likes of Panetta to "speak" and "consult" is to gain access to his network.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/leon_panetta_speaking_fees_scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-885133</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yet CEO&#039;s are worth precisely what people are willing to pay them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, I&#039;m sure Panetta provided $28,000 in perceived value.  Just not for the speeches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yet CEO's are worth precisely what people are willing to pay them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I'm sure Panetta provided $28,000 in perceived value.  Just not for the speeches.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/leon_panetta_speaking_fees_scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-885029</link>
		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>0 for 2 now.

Perhaps Tee Ball?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>0 for 2 now.</p>
<p>Perhaps Tee Ball?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/leon_panetta_speaking_fees_scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-885024</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That said, I’ve heard Leon Panetta speak and, frankly, it wasn’t worth $28,000 — his apparent going rate. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And yet CEO&#039;s are worth precisely what people are willing to pay them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That said, I&rsquo;ve heard Leon Panetta speak and, frankly, it wasn&rsquo;t worth $28,000 — his apparent going rate. </p></blockquote>
<p>And yet CEO's are worth precisely what people are willing to pay them.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Can you explain how giving speeches and consulting equates to lobbying?  

All this hand wringing seems a bit over the top given the lack of substance in the story itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Can you explain how giving speeches and consulting equates to lobbying?  </p>
<p>All this hand wringing seems a bit over the top given the lack of substance in the story itself.</p>
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		<title>By: HiItsNino</title>
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		<dc:creator>HiItsNino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...one more note - a good friend of mine is a Lobbyist for Car gill and she is at the top of her game when it comes to food economics.  We joke with her about the movie &quot;Election&quot; being a documentary of her life.  She has a very strong ethical conviction when it come to farmers rights in the US and other countries.  Should she ever be appointed to a presidential cabinet position I would have full confidence in her abilities.  The fact that she is a lobbyist is not a factor.  What matters is weather or not the appointment would be used as a stepping stone to more $$$, not weather or not someone has a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...one more note - a good friend of mine is a Lobbyist for Car gill and she is at the top of her game when it comes to food economics.  We joke with her about the movie "Election" being a documentary of her life.  She has a very strong ethical conviction when it come to farmers rights in the US and other countries.  Should she ever be appointed to a presidential cabinet position I would have full confidence in her abilities.  The fact that she is a lobbyist is not a factor.  What matters is weather or not the appointment would be used as a stepping stone to more $$$, not weather or not someone has a job.</p>
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		<title>By: HiItsNino</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/leon_panetta_speaking_fees_scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-884907</link>
		<dc:creator>HiItsNino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of talking heads are distorting Obamas position here.  He has required that anyone joining his administration not become a lobbyist for 2 years after leaving his administration.  It would be nearly impossible to get someone with experience who doesn&#039;t have lobbyist ties in DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of talking heads are distorting Obamas position here.  He has required that anyone joining his administration not become a lobbyist for 2 years after leaving his administration.  It would be nearly impossible to get someone with experience who doesn't have lobbyist ties in DC.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The change is that Obama actually seems to think that this is a bad thing which should be changed. The fact that he is unable to do so with a wave of his hand may give the slow kids something to whine about, but is does not have much significance beyond that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Umm, he has absolute control of 5000-plus political appointees.  Surely, there&#039;s a Democrat who is simultaneously capable of running CIA and hasn&#039;t taken tons of money from interest groups.  If Obama really cared, he&#039;d find one.  But, in reality, he just wants to talk about the issue while doing business as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The change is that Obama actually seems to think that this is a bad thing which should be changed. The fact that he is unable to do so with a wave of his hand may give the slow kids something to whine about, but is does not have much significance beyond that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Umm, he has absolute control of 5000-plus political appointees.  Surely, there's a Democrat who is simultaneously capable of running CIA and hasn't taken tons of money from interest groups.  If Obama really cared, he'd find one.  But, in reality, he just wants to talk about the issue while doing business as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a ruling class in this country who&#039;s lives are essentially one long free lunch. This is news?

The change is that Obama actually seems to think that this is a bad thing which should be changed. The fact that he is unable to do so with a wave of his hand may give the slow kids something to whine about, but is does not have much significance beyond that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a ruling class in this country who's lives are essentially one long free lunch. This is news?</p>
<p>The change is that Obama actually seems to think that this is a bad thing which should be changed. The fact that he is unable to do so with a wave of his hand may give the slow kids something to whine about, but is does not have much significance beyond that.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or shut up about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is typical of liberal hypocracy.  Under the sensible Bush administration policies, conflict of interest was a prerequisite for governmental appointment--not a disqualification.

This position shows that Hussein is woefully out of touch with the American people.  

I bet Panetta eats  arugula at every meal with all that cash he&#039;s raking in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or shut up about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is typical of liberal hypocracy.  Under the sensible Bush administration policies, conflict of interest was a prerequisite for governmental appointment--not a disqualification.</p>
<p>This position shows that Hussein is woefully out of touch with the American people.  </p>
<p>I bet Panetta eats  arugula at every meal with all that cash he's raking in!</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, James says there&#039;s no influence peddling.  If that&#039;s true, that makes this a non-story.

The full article, however, notes a couple cases where the companies in question were doing some lobbying work.  Are you sure Panetta&#039;s possible influence on the government wasn&#039;t used?

For me, that&#039;s the only question.  Speaking for a fee is not, by itself, anything resembling unethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, James says there's no influence peddling.  If that's true, that makes this a non-story.</p>
<p>The full article, however, notes a couple cases where the companies in question were doing some lobbying work.  Are you sure Panetta's possible influence on the government wasn't used?</p>
<p>For me, that's the only question.  Speaking for a fee is not, by itself, anything resembling unethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merely one more in the increasingly long line.
At some point....

Oh, never mind. 

Hopey Changitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merely one more in the increasingly long line.<br />
At some point....</p>
<p>Oh, never mind. </p>
<p>Hopey Changitude.</p>
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