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		<title>By: Jim Henley</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-118036</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Henley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can’t, hence institutions like our Constitution with its built in system of checks and balances.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, that was fun while it lasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can&rsquo;t, hence institutions like our Constitution with its built in system of checks and balances.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, that was fun while it lasted.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnG</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-118027</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to stop making ridiculous arguments like &quot;It was a vote to authorize a threat, not war&quot; or &quot;If Bush vetoes the emergency spending bill then it means he is cutting the troops off.&quot;  We all know exactly what Congress intended when they passed the authorization, and we all know what Congress intends with the emergency spending bill.  Instead of hiding the intent so that people can dodge blame down the line, why don&#039;t people and Congress give the public some respect and just say &quot;This is what we want, this is why we are passing the bill?&quot;  I mean I know why (because we can&#039;t take stands on the issues of the day, lest public opinion changes tomorrow), but it&#039;s just really tiring to keep seeing these hide the ball arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to stop making ridiculous arguments like "It was a vote to authorize a threat, not war" or "If Bush vetoes the emergency spending bill then it means he is cutting the troops off."  We all know exactly what Congress intended when they passed the authorization, and we all know what Congress intends with the emergency spending bill.  Instead of hiding the intent so that people can dodge blame down the line, why don't people and Congress give the public some respect and just say "This is what we want, this is why we are passing the bill?"  I mean I know why (because we can't take stands on the issues of the day, lest public opinion changes tomorrow), but it's just really tiring to keep seeing these hide the ball arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-118019</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or better. How do we insure the election of political leaders with better judgement. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can&#039;t, hence institutions like our Constitution with its built in system of checks and balances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or better. How do we insure the election of political leaders with better judgement. </p></blockquote>
<p>You can't, hence institutions like our Constitution with its built in system of checks and balances.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-118008</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We tried your idea once. Very minimal military. Ended up with over 300,000 US dead when the people who built the bigger military went to war against us. Read some history, you might learn something. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since you have the history book, tell me who won that war?  Just curious since after our massive military buildup the only wars we&#039;ve won have been against ridiculously tiny targets.

Are you sure you read that history right?  I&#039;m just saying is all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We tried your idea once. Very minimal military. Ended up with over 300,000 US dead when the people who built the bigger military went to war against us. Read some history, you might learn something. </p></blockquote>
<p>Since you have the history book, tell me who won that war?  Just curious since after our massive military buildup the only wars we've won have been against ridiculously tiny targets.</p>
<p>Are you sure you read that history right?  I'm just saying is all...</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...almost by definition, they thought the costs acceptable since, after all, they accepted them. It’s only when things don’t go according to plan that the costs escalate beyond the perceived reward.&quot;

Thats pretty obvious.
I think you make this too complicated because you ignore the obvious lessons. Bush Sr. and Clinton made wise judegements about the use of the military, Bush Jr. hasnt.

&quot;The operative public policy question, then, is ... how do we build a force to accommodate that reality? &quot;

Or better. How do we insure the election of political leaders with better judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"...almost by definition, they thought the costs acceptable since, after all, they accepted them. It&rsquo;s only when things don&rsquo;t go according to plan that the costs escalate beyond the perceived reward."</p>
<p>Thats pretty obvious.<br />
I think you make this too complicated because you ignore the obvious lessons. Bush Sr. and Clinton made wise judegements about the use of the military, Bush Jr. hasnt.</p>
<p>"The operative public policy question, then, is ... how do we build a force to accommodate that reality? "</p>
<p>Or better. How do we insure the election of political leaders with better judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: brainy435</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-118000</link>
		<dc:creator>brainy435</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yetanotherjohn, I see your point, now. I agree with you, then. The problem then becomes that it takes a new system so long to get through the bureaucracy, that by the time it does, it&#039;s already obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yetanotherjohn, I see your point, now. I agree with you, then. The problem then becomes that it takes a new system so long to get through the bureaucracy, that by the time it does, it's already obsolete.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brainy435,

I was trying to say that a submarine would be a great tool for defending Taiwan from a Red China invasion, but not as useful hunting terrorists in Afghanistan. I agree that they could launch a cruise missile, but you are spending a lot of money for a launch platform that could be handled much cheaper. 

There are a lot of weapons platforms that can be of some use, but that doesn&#039;t mean they are optimised. The whole point was that you shouldn&#039;t just look at the number of troops, but also at how you equip/train them and at the strategy/tactics to achieve the goal. 

I hear some complain about the F-22 as not being the best weapons platform for an anti-terrorist campaign. And they are right. But for securing the air space in a more traditional war, they are great. We need to have a balance to react to the different threats.

M1EK,

How do you explain the title &quot;Authorization for the USE of Military force&quot;. I know it would be convenient for Hillary to re-write history, but can&#039;t we deal with reality as it is, not as it would be convenient for the left?

Tlaloc,

We tried your idea once. Very minimal military. Ended up with over 300,000 US dead when the people who built the bigger military went to war against us. Read some history, you might learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brainy435,</p>
<p>I was trying to say that a submarine would be a great tool for defending Taiwan from a Red China invasion, but not as useful hunting terrorists in Afghanistan. I agree that they could launch a cruise missile, but you are spending a lot of money for a launch platform that could be handled much cheaper. </p>
<p>There are a lot of weapons platforms that can be of some use, but that doesn't mean they are optimised. The whole point was that you shouldn't just look at the number of troops, but also at how you equip/train them and at the strategy/tactics to achieve the goal. </p>
<p>I hear some complain about the F-22 as not being the best weapons platform for an anti-terrorist campaign. And they are right. But for securing the air space in a more traditional war, they are great. We need to have a balance to react to the different threats.</p>
<p>M1EK,</p>
<p>How do you explain the title "Authorization for the USE of Military force". I know it would be convenient for Hillary to re-write history, but can't we deal with reality as it is, not as it would be convenient for the left?</p>
<p>Tlaloc,</p>
<p>We tried your idea once. Very minimal military. Ended up with over 300,000 US dead when the people who built the bigger military went to war against us. Read some history, you might learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: brainy435</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-117993</link>
		<dc:creator>brainy435</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yetanotherjohn, what are you implying about submarines in your comment? That thay could not be of any help in Afghanistan or Taiwan? Because if that is what you meant, you are incorrect. I served on a submarine for 6 years and saw combat twice, against Iraq in 98 and Kosovo in 99. We launched Tomahawks against both. I would be surprised if submarines were NOT part of the opening of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Just because we can&#039;t get a boat in country doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t hit it.

As far a Taiwan, there is a bit of water between it and China and subs would be vitally important if we needed to defend it, both to repell invasion forces and deny sea support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yetanotherjohn, what are you implying about submarines in your comment? That thay could not be of any help in Afghanistan or Taiwan? Because if that is what you meant, you are incorrect. I served on a submarine for 6 years and saw combat twice, against Iraq in 98 and Kosovo in 99. We launched Tomahawks against both. I would be surprised if submarines were NOT part of the opening of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Just because we can't get a boat in country doesn't mean we can't hit it.</p>
<p>As far a Taiwan, there is a bit of water between it and China and subs would be vitally important if we needed to defend it, both to repell invasion forces and deny sea support.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
Sorry, I didn&#039;t recognize the name - I just worked from what I felt was the tone of the article...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
Sorry, I didn't recognize the name - I just worked from what I felt was the tone of the article...</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-117974</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Load of nonsense. The bipartisan consensus was for using the threat of force to make Saddam let the inspectors complete their work. And, of course, we know how that turned out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pure comedy gold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Load of nonsense. The bipartisan consensus was for using the threat of force to make Saddam let the inspectors complete their work. And, of course, we know how that turned out.</p></blockquote>
<p>Pure comedy gold!</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-117971</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The operative public policy question, then, is that since the history of the last fifteen years or so demonstrates that the United States’ political leadership will repeatedly find our national security interests served by sending troops into nasty situations abroad, how do we build a force to accommodate that reality?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, the lesson is that if we have the military there are too many pressures to use it, so what we need to do is scale it back to the point where it really is a self defence force rather than &lt;em&gt;designed&lt;/em&gt; for foreign invasion (as it is now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The operative public policy question, then, is that since the history of the last fifteen years or so demonstrates that the United States&rsquo; political leadership will repeatedly find our national security interests served by sending troops into nasty situations abroad, how do we build a force to accommodate that reality?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, the lesson is that if we have the military there are too many pressures to use it, so what we need to do is scale it back to the point where it really is a self defence force rather than <em>designed</em> for foreign invasion (as it is now).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henley</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/less_war_rather_than_more_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-117957</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Henley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and then pretend like it’s something that nobody knew about 5 years ago? As though such wisdom only has meaning when a conservative writes it, when the same words coming out of the mouth of a liberal as little as six months ago would have merited calls for execution live on Fox News?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Crikey, legion. Preble did as much to argue against the Iraq War as anyone. You&#039;re slandering one of the good guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and then pretend like it&rsquo;s something that nobody knew about 5 years ago? As though such wisdom only has meaning when a conservative writes it, when the same words coming out of the mouth of a liberal as little as six months ago would have merited calls for execution live on Fox News?</p></blockquote>
<p>Crikey, legion. Preble did as much to argue against the Iraq War as anyone. You're slandering one of the good guys.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;George W. Bush and a bipartisan consensus in Congress thought Iraq did.&quot;

Load of nonsense. The bipartisan consensus was for using the threat of force to make Saddam let the inspectors complete their work. And, of course, we know how that turned out.

No declaration of war. Still, even now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"George W. Bush and a bipartisan consensus in Congress thought Iraq did."</p>
<p>Load of nonsense. The bipartisan consensus was for using the threat of force to make Saddam let the inspectors complete their work. And, of course, we know how that turned out.</p>
<p>No declaration of war. Still, even now.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preble&#039;s from the libertarian Cato Institute.  &lt;em&gt;The American Conservative&lt;/em&gt; is a paleo-con mag that is in favor of an isolationist foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preble's from the libertarian Cato Institute.  <em>The American Conservative</em> is a paleo-con mag that is in favor of an isolationist foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it vital to our national security? Have we exhausted all available alternatives? Does it have a reasonable chance of achieving its stated objective at an acceptable cost?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s also rather disingenuous to say this without also noting that a number of people tried to ask these same questions &lt;em&gt;before we went into Iraq in the first place&lt;/em&gt; and were derided, insulted, described as traitors, terror-symps, etc., etc.

I ask you, how can Preble unashamedly write things like
&lt;blockquote&gt;No one disputes that our military is stressed, but the Army’s problems did not begin in 2003. The first Bush and Clinton administrations reduced the size of the military by roughly 40 percent after the end of the Cold War, but this smaller military has been used more times and in more places in the 15 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall than it was throughout 45 years of confrontation with the Soviet Union.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and then pretend like it&#039;s something that nobody knew about 5 years ago? As though such wisdom only has meaning when a conservative writes it, when the same words coming out of the mouth of a liberal as little as six months ago would have merited calls for execution live on Fox News?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is it vital to our national security? Have we exhausted all available alternatives? Does it have a reasonable chance of achieving its stated objective at an acceptable cost?</p></blockquote>
<p>It's also rather disingenuous to say this without also noting that a number of people tried to ask these same questions <em>before we went into Iraq in the first place</em> and were derided, insulted, described as traitors, terror-symps, etc., etc.</p>
<p>I ask you, how can Preble unashamedly write things like</p>
<blockquote><p>No one disputes that our military is stressed, but the Army&rsquo;s problems did not begin in 2003. The first Bush and Clinton administrations reduced the size of the military by roughly 40 percent after the end of the Cold War, but this smaller military has been used more times and in more places in the 15 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall than it was throughout 45 years of confrontation with the Soviet Union.</p></blockquote>
<p>and then pretend like it's something that nobody knew about 5 years ago? As though such wisdom only has meaning when a conservative writes it, when the same words coming out of the mouth of a liberal as little as six months ago would have merited calls for execution live on Fox News?</p>
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