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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/libby_bush_authorized_plame_leak/comment-page-1/#comment-78371</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any other way you want to look at it, there is something sleazy about a President who &quot;selectively&quot; leaks classified information with the intention of creating a false impression to fool the public. One more stream of lies flowing into in an already large sea of falsehoods from these guys. When this is done to falsely smear an opponent, it just adds to the sleaze factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any other way you want to look at it, there is something sleazy about a President who "selectively" leaks classified information with the intention of creating a false impression to fool the public. One more stream of lies flowing into in an already large sea of falsehoods from these guys. When this is done to falsely smear an opponent, it just adds to the sleaze factor.</p>
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		<title>By: MrGone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrGone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep on pedaling folks.  We, the American People, get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep on pedaling folks.  We, the American People, get it.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bhoe:  I&#039;m pretty sure Bush was using &quot;leak&quot; in the sense of something done by an underling without authorization. If the president, the highest authority over such matters, orders the information&#039;s release, it ain&#039;t a &quot;leak.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bhoe:  I'm pretty sure Bush was using "leak" in the sense of something done by an underling without authorization. If the president, the highest authority over such matters, orders the information's release, it ain't a "leak."</p>
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		<title>By: Bhoe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/libby_bush_authorized_plame_leak/comment-page-1/#comment-78343</link>
		<dc:creator>Bhoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would argue that thereâ��s a rather large difference between authorized and unauthorized leaks. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, James, your argument is not entirely accepted by Bush, who indicated after the Novak column that: â��Leaks of classified information are bad things. Weâ��ve got too much leaking in Washington.â��</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would argue that thereâ��s a rather large difference between authorized and unauthorized leaks. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, James, your argument is not entirely accepted by Bush, who indicated after the Novak column that: â��Leaks of classified information are bad things. Weâ��ve got too much leaking in Washington.â��</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/libby_bush_authorized_plame_leak/comment-page-1/#comment-78342</link>
		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A minor clarification - thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_04/008572.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Drum&lt;/a&gt;, I see that the NIE in question was officially declassified on 18 July 2002. This is, however, a full 10 days &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; Libby leaked the information to Judy Miller.

Busted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A minor clarification - thanks to <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_04/008572.php" rel="nofollow">Kevin Drum</a>, I see that the NIE in question was officially declassified on 18 July 2002. This is, however, a full 10 days <em>after</em> Libby leaked the information to Judy Miller.</p>
<p>Busted.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wooo, Jane Harman, you go, girl!
&lt;blockquote&gt;The President has the legal authority to declassify information, but there are normal channels for doing so. &lt;b&gt;Telling an aide to leak classified information to the New York Times is not a normal channel.&lt;/b&gt; A normal declassification procedure would involve going back to the originating agency, such as the CIA, and then putting out a public, declassified version of the document.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wooo, Jane Harman, you go, girl!</p>
<blockquote><p>The President has the legal authority to declassify information, but there are normal channels for doing so. <b>Telling an aide to leak classified information to the New York Times is not a normal channel.</b> A normal declassification procedure would involve going back to the originating agency, such as the CIA, and then putting out a public, declassified version of the document.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/libby_bush_authorized_plame_leak/comment-page-1/#comment-78340</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha! Now we&#039;re getting somewhere. &lt;a href=&quot;http://fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; an executive order governing the handling of classified information. Note the date - March 25, 2003. Hmmm. 

All kinds of good stuff in there, all of which - naturally - reinforces my point that the whole process seems to have gone completely off the rails. Your results may vary. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Declassification authority&quot; means: 
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position; 
(2) the originators current successor in function; 
(3) a supervisory official of either; or 
(4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So now I&#039;m picturing Jefe Bush deputizing declassification authorities. 

&lt;i&gt;Badges? We don&#039; need no steenking badges!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha! Now we're getting somewhere. <a href="http://fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> an executive order governing the handling of classified information. Note the date - March 25, 2003. Hmmm. </p>
<p>All kinds of good stuff in there, all of which - naturally - reinforces my point that the whole process seems to have gone completely off the rails. Your results may vary. </p>
<blockquote><p>"Declassification authority" means:<br />
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position;<br />
(2) the originators current successor in function;<br />
(3) a supervisory official of either; or<br />
(4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official.</p></blockquote>
<p>So now I'm picturing Jefe Bush deputizing declassification authorities. </p>
<p><i>Badges? We don' need no steenking badges!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/libby_bush_authorized_plame_leak/comment-page-1/#comment-78332</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disney! That&#039;s the ticket. The &lt;i&gt;Sorcerer&#039;s Apprentice&lt;/i&gt; from &lt;i&gt;Fantasia&lt;/i&gt; is exactly the image that comes to mind. The preznit leaves the magic hat laying around and all hell breaks loose. 

As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fln.vcu.edu/goethe/zauber_e3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;might say&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Just what kind of Mickey Mouse outfit are you running there, anyway?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disney! That's the ticket. The <i>Sorcerer's Apprentice</i> from <i>Fantasia</i> is exactly the image that comes to mind. The preznit leaves the magic hat laying around and all hell breaks loose. </p>
<p>As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe <a href="http://www.fln.vcu.edu/goethe/zauber_e3.html" rel="nofollow">might say</a>, <i>Just what kind of Mickey Mouse outfit are you running there, anyway?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/libby_bush_authorized_plame_leak/comment-page-1/#comment-78329</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the act of leaking it was still a federal crime, even if the President had leaked it himself.&lt;/i&gt;

But the preznit has the authority to pardon, no? He could just delegate the authority to the leaker, who would then hand back the authority to the prezit who would then pardon the leaker.

It&#039;s all good. &lt;i&gt;Hakuna Matata&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the act of leaking it was still a federal crime, even if the President had leaked it himself.</i></p>
<p>But the preznit has the authority to pardon, no? He could just delegate the authority to the leaker, who would then hand back the authority to the prezit who would then pardon the leaker.</p>
<p>It's all good. <i>Hakuna Matata</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: MrGone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrGone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legion,

What bothers me the most is this endless justification of what we all think is wrong.  It may turn out that no one is held criminally liable for any of this but for us to just accept this kind of behavior as normal or ok is asking too much.  What&#039;s next then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legion,</p>
<p>What bothers me the most is this endless justification of what we all think is wrong.  It may turn out that no one is held criminally liable for any of this but for us to just accept this kind of behavior as normal or ok is asking too much.  What's next then?</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of points here...
First - McG, just because she was at one time assigned under official cover means nothing. IIRC, the actual federal law bars making public the identity of anyone who&#039;s served in a covert capacity within the last 5 years - this is to protect any assets they left behind after going &#039;legit&#039;.

Second - It is possible the President has the authority to summarily declassify information based on his power to appoint the people who have statutory power to classify or declassify that info.

&lt;strong&gt;But that is irrelevant to this issue.&lt;/strong&gt;

As I understand it, neither the data in the NIE nor Plame&#039;s identity was ever &lt;em&gt;declassified&lt;/em&gt;. It was simply leaked to reporters. Unless the President made a concious (and documented) decision to declassify the information, &lt;em&gt;it&#039;s still classified&lt;/em&gt;, and the act of leaking it was still a federal crime, even if the President had leaked it himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points here...<br />
First - McG, just because she was at one time assigned under official cover means nothing. IIRC, the actual federal law bars making public the identity of anyone who's served in a covert capacity within the last 5 years - this is to protect any assets they left behind after going 'legit'.</p>
<p>Second - It is possible the President has the authority to summarily declassify information based on his power to appoint the people who have statutory power to classify or declassify that info.</p>
<p><strong>But that is irrelevant to this issue.</strong></p>
<p>As I understand it, neither the data in the NIE nor Plame's identity was ever <em>declassified</em>. It was simply leaked to reporters. Unless the President made a concious (and documented) decision to declassify the information, <em>it's still classified</em>, and the act of leaking it was still a federal crime, even if the President had leaked it himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;one presumes he has the authority to declassify documents.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, sure. But one wonders whether he even knew what was being declassified. Does he have the authority to delegate his authority? &quot;I hereby decree that stuff that helps our case with Bob Woodward is declassified.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>one presumes he has the authority to declassify documents.</i></p>
<p>Sure, sure. But one wonders whether he even knew what was being declassified. Does he have the authority to delegate his authority? "I hereby decree that stuff that helps our case with Bob Woodward is declassified."</p>
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		<title>By: MrGone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrGone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McGehee, 

Glad you enjoyed it. Why does it seem that you never have anything to say but instead attack the poster?  First off, the CIA said she was under cover.  Second, she was working with a front company set up by the CIA which is now destroyed.  Third, anyone who had ever been in contact with her is at risk.  Fourth, she was a well trained expert in WMD, specifically nuclear proliferation.  By your response, it&#039;s just as well that she doesn&#039;t work there anymore.  We&#039;ll just spend another 20yrs or so to get a replacement.  And yes, allowing our enemies to know the name of one of our spies and potentially their contacts is exactly what I call giving aid to the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McGehee, </p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed it. Why does it seem that you never have anything to say but instead attack the poster?  First off, the CIA said she was under cover.  Second, she was working with a front company set up by the CIA which is now destroyed.  Third, anyone who had ever been in contact with her is at risk.  Fourth, she was a well trained expert in WMD, specifically nuclear proliferation.  By your response, it's just as well that she doesn't work there anymore.  We'll just spend another 20yrs or so to get a replacement.  And yes, allowing our enemies to know the name of one of our spies and potentially their contacts is exactly what I call giving aid to the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; Papers: Cheney Aide Says Bush OK&#039;d Leak...&lt;/strong&gt;

 WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney&#039;s former top aide told prosecutors President Bush authoriz...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> Papers: Cheney Aide Says Bush OK'd Leak...</strong></p>
<p> WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide told prosecutors President Bush authoriz...</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But I think itâ��s a stretch to assume that this would include the disclosure of an undercover CIA asset.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...who had previously been assigned, apparently, to an embassy, which means official cover, which pretty much makes any claim that she was covert when &quot;outed&quot; just plain laughable.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thatâ��s not executive privilege, itâ��s treason.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh? As in &quot;levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort&quot;...?

MrGone, your slapstick commentary is priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But I think itâ��s a stretch to assume that this would include the disclosure of an undercover CIA asset.</p></blockquote>
<p>...who had previously been assigned, apparently, to an embassy, which means official cover, which pretty much makes any claim that she was covert when "outed" just plain laughable.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thatâ��s not executive privilege, itâ��s treason.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh? As in "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"...?</p>
<p>MrGone, your slapstick commentary is priceless.</p>
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