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	<title>Comments on: Liberals in Academia, Take 492</title>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way to fix it? Quit PAYING the fools.HOW?Don&#039;t attend their schools! The answer is plain, just don&#039;t buy a BAD product!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way to fix it? Quit PAYING the fools.HOW?Don't attend their schools! The answer is plain, just don't buy a BAD product!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kent G. Budge</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/liberals_in_academia_take_492/comment-page-1/#comment-102777</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent G. Budge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the thought of conservative affirmative action either.  The concept is demeaning and condescending.

But that doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t bias, or that it isn&#039;t structural.  Academia presents a unique incentive structure, and it isn&#039;t at all implausible that the incentives would appeal more to liberals than to conservatives.

In addition, academia has &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; been an old boys network. I seem to recall a weird, ancient ceremony involving cultlike robes, a hood being solemnly slipped around my neck, and blather about now being part of the &quot;community of scholars.&quot;

Given the unique incentive structure, along with the old-boy-network tendency to uphold that incentive structure at any cost, and you have an environment that only a fool could &lt;i&gt;expect&lt;/i&gt; to be ideologically neutral.  The academy is there to propagate an intellectual tradition. 

Perhaps the answer is for the conservatives to invent a method of signalling that can compete with academia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't like the thought of conservative affirmative action either.  The concept is demeaning and condescending.</p>
<p>But that doesn't mean there isn't bias, or that it isn't structural.  Academia presents a unique incentive structure, and it isn't at all implausible that the incentives would appeal more to liberals than to conservatives.</p>
<p>In addition, academia has <em>always</em> been an old boys network. I seem to recall a weird, ancient ceremony involving cultlike robes, a hood being solemnly slipped around my neck, and blather about now being part of the "community of scholars."</p>
<p>Given the unique incentive structure, along with the old-boy-network tendency to uphold that incentive structure at any cost, and you have an environment that only a fool could <i>expect</i> to be ideologically neutral.  The academy is there to propagate an intellectual tradition. </p>
<p>Perhaps the answer is for the conservatives to invent a method of signalling that can compete with academia.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An educated conservative would have a much easier time sliding into a career in business or finance &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unlike gov&#039;t and non profits - you actually have to produce something of value in business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An educated conservative would have a much easier time sliding into a career in business or finance </p></blockquote>
<p>Unlike gov't and non profits - you actually have to produce something of value in business.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legion,

Wall street hires, retains and pays on very different criterion than academia. It is not how many presentations did you create/publish, but how much money did you bring in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legion,</p>
<p>Wall street hires, retains and pays on very different criterion than academia. It is not how many presentations did you create/publish, but how much money did you bring in.</p>
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		<title>By: RJN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a lapse of logic by Dan Drezner, or somebody, here. The left recruits more of it&#039;s own once it has a beachhead in an organization. The bias in the academy has been a long time making, but it is a made - not shaken and poured like dice - phenomenon.

I am sure that much of what Legion says is true, but what he says might also cause the middle and the left to exit the schools for money and broader horizons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a lapse of logic by Dan Drezner, or somebody, here. The left recruits more of it's own once it has a beachhead in an organization. The bias in the academy has been a long time making, but it is a made - not shaken and poured like dice - phenomenon.</p>
<p>I am sure that much of what Legion says is true, but what he says might also cause the middle and the left to exit the schools for money and broader horizons.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always suspected that one of the main contributing factors is that academia simply doesn&#039;t pay very well... An educated conservative would have a much easier time sliding into a career in business or finance - areas that are expected to be somewhat more conservative-friendly, even though you don&#039;t see crowds of hippies demanding liberal affirmative action on Wall Street...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've always suspected that one of the main contributing factors is that academia simply doesn't pay very well... An educated conservative would have a much easier time sliding into a career in business or finance - areas that are expected to be somewhat more conservative-friendly, even though you don't see crowds of hippies demanding liberal affirmative action on Wall Street...</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally am not a big fan of the &quot;conservative diversity affirmative action&quot; idea. What I would look at would be alumni donations for private universities and public funds for state universities. Move funds towards universities that provide a better educational (as opposed to a one sided echo chamber) experience and away from those who have the problem. Nothing is likely to get the administrations attention faster for fixing the problem than money. Since we are &quot;grading on a curve&quot; here, we don&#039;t need to find the perfect exemplar, just rank the better ones. Competition should kick in for the rest. Of course this is a long term solution, so will require watching this over time, not just occasionally paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally am not a big fan of the "conservative diversity affirmative action" idea. What I would look at would be alumni donations for private universities and public funds for state universities. Move funds towards universities that provide a better educational (as opposed to a one sided echo chamber) experience and away from those who have the problem. Nothing is likely to get the administrations attention faster for fixing the problem than money. Since we are "grading on a curve" here, we don't need to find the perfect exemplar, just rank the better ones. Competition should kick in for the rest. Of course this is a long term solution, so will require watching this over time, not just occasionally paying attention.</p>
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