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		<title>By: nicestrategy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/limbaugh_-_steele_cage_match/comment-page-1/#comment-986626</link>
		<dc:creator>nicestrategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nixon and Reagan had a foil character in the form of the knee-jerk liberal, or, as current progressives sarcastically remark, the dirty f&#039;ing hippy.  The pacifist, hedonist, socialist who makes excuses for criminality was a unrepresentative caricature born from a grain of truth -- the immature emotion of 1960s -- but it stuck to and poisoned the word &quot;liberal&quot; for several decades.

Obama has set himself up with a comparable foil in the form of Limbaugh, an intolerant know-nothing who makes up statistics out of thin air, demands ideological purity, has a mean streak and more than a little hypocrisy.

Are both foil characters unfair strawmen?  Sure.  But one is based in the past and one is based in the present.  One amounted to a disorganized, whiny, elitist, ineffectual political minority and the other is a demagogue with a large megaphone and a large amount of power within his party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nixon and Reagan had a foil character in the form of the knee-jerk liberal, or, as current progressives sarcastically remark, the dirty f'ing hippy.  The pacifist, hedonist, socialist who makes excuses for criminality was a unrepresentative caricature born from a grain of truth -- the immature emotion of 1960s -- but it stuck to and poisoned the word "liberal" for several decades.</p>
<p>Obama has set himself up with a comparable foil in the form of Limbaugh, an intolerant know-nothing who makes up statistics out of thin air, demands ideological purity, has a mean streak and more than a little hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Are both foil characters unfair strawmen?  Sure.  But one is based in the past and one is based in the present.  One amounted to a disorganized, whiny, elitist, ineffectual political minority and the other is a demagogue with a large megaphone and a large amount of power within his party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/limbaugh_-_steele_cage_match/comment-page-1/#comment-986440</link>
		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are misreading me.  Nixon _ran_ as a social conservative (the Silent Majority, Southern Strategy, etc.).  He did roughly as much for social conservatives as Reagan did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are misreading me.  Nixon _ran_ as a social conservative (the Silent Majority, Southern Strategy, etc.).  He did roughly as much for social conservatives as Reagan did.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/limbaugh_-_steele_cage_match/comment-page-1/#comment-986436</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nixon?

Laughable. Nixon was at besh a Bush-mold centrist from SouCal... no conservative, he. 

He was conservative as compared to Humphrey...and George McGovern... but then again, who wasn&#039;t?

I&#039;d say you&#039;ve dug that hole down far enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nixon?</p>
<p>Laughable. Nixon was at besh a Bush-mold centrist from SouCal... no conservative, he. </p>
<p>He was conservative as compared to Humphrey...and George McGovern... but then again, who wasn't?</p>
<p>I'd say you've dug that hole down far enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/limbaugh_-_steele_cage_match/comment-page-1/#comment-986418</link>
		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, my point is that Reagan&#039;s conservatism is overstated on both sides of the aisle.  He certainly did not expend any significant fraction of the effort fighting for socially conservative causes as he did fighting for economic conservate ones.  Reagan is data point #2 (Nixon being data point #1) of the argument that Republicans pay lip service to the social conservatives votes to get elected, but don&#039;t deliver the goods for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, my point is that Reagan's conservatism is overstated on both sides of the aisle.  He certainly did not expend any significant fraction of the effort fighting for socially conservative causes as he did fighting for economic conservate ones.  Reagan is data point #2 (Nixon being data point #1) of the argument that Republicans pay lip service to the social conservatives votes to get elected, but don't deliver the goods for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/limbaugh_-_steele_cage_match/comment-page-1/#comment-986404</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That skirts right by the point you were making. You specifically liked social conservatism to an imagined failure of the Republican party on all but small regions within the country.

Clearly, social conservatism isn&#039;t the defeat mechanism you try to cast it as.

Would you care to try again, this time actually adressing the point you made?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That skirts right by the point you were making. You specifically liked social conservatism to an imagined failure of the Republican party on all but small regions within the country.</p>
<p>Clearly, social conservatism isn't the defeat mechanism you try to cast it as.</p>
<p>Would you care to try again, this time actually adressing the point you made?</p>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t recall Reagan and his appeal being limited to one region or another.&quot;

True enough.  That might actually start a reflective person to think about the differences between Reagan and Limbaugh.  Since reflection isn&#039;t your strong suit, I&#039;d start with Reagan&#039;s lack of demonization of his adversaries (comapred to Limbaugh&#039;s routine use of terms like feminazi or referring to Chelsea Clinton as the family dog) and some measure of pragmatism (including signing tax increases in nearly every year of his presidency after 1981) totally lacking in Limbaugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I don't recall Reagan and his appeal being limited to one region or another."</p>
<p>True enough.  That might actually start a reflective person to think about the differences between Reagan and Limbaugh.  Since reflection isn't your strong suit, I'd start with Reagan's lack of demonization of his adversaries (comapred to Limbaugh's routine use of terms like feminazi or referring to Chelsea Clinton as the family dog) and some measure of pragmatism (including signing tax increases in nearly every year of his presidency after 1981) totally lacking in Limbaugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the anti-Limbaugh campaign as forcing the &lt;blockquote&gt;Republican leadership to either explicitly embrace social conservatism, and turn it into a regional party, with little to no chance of winning elections in the North, industrial Midwest or much of the West, or turn its back on social conservatism, and lose its most fervent supporters, allowing Democrats to win more in the South and rural Midwest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny thing; I don&#039;t recall Reagan and his appeal being limited to one region or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the anti-Limbaugh campaign as forcing the<br />
<blockquote>Republican leadership to either explicitly embrace social conservatism, and turn it into a regional party, with little to no chance of winning elections in the North, industrial Midwest or much of the West, or turn its back on social conservatism, and lose its most fervent supporters, allowing Democrats to win more in the South and rural Midwest.</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny thing; I don't recall Reagan and his appeal being limited to one region or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/limbaugh_-_steele_cage_match/comment-page-1/#comment-986381</link>
		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead&#039;s 9:44 AM comment is far closer to correct than his usual.  Looking at it from the opposite side, the Republican party in recent years has seemed to this Democrat to be a contradiction.  The social conservatives provide most of the votes, but the Wall Street end of the party got practically all of the benefits of Republican rule.  They told the social conservatives that they could not do more for them, because they needed to win elections in the non-Southern and non-rural parts of the country where the social conservatives&#039; ideology is poisonous, and for years the social conservatives accepted that, even when Republicans controlled the Presidency and both houses of Congress earlier this decade.

I see the anti-Limbaugh campaign as forcing the Republican leadership to either explicitly embrace social conservatism, and turn it into a regional party, with little to no chance of winning elections in the North, industrial Midwest or much of the West, or turn its back on social conservatism, and lose its most fervent supporters, allowing Democrats to win more in the South and rural Midwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead's 9:44 AM comment is far closer to correct than his usual.  Looking at it from the opposite side, the Republican party in recent years has seemed to this Democrat to be a contradiction.  The social conservatives provide most of the votes, but the Wall Street end of the party got practically all of the benefits of Republican rule.  They told the social conservatives that they could not do more for them, because they needed to win elections in the non-Southern and non-rural parts of the country where the social conservatives' ideology is poisonous, and for years the social conservatives accepted that, even when Republicans controlled the Presidency and both houses of Congress earlier this decade.</p>
<p>I see the anti-Limbaugh campaign as forcing the Republican leadership to either explicitly embrace social conservatism, and turn it into a regional party, with little to no chance of winning elections in the North, industrial Midwest or much of the West, or turn its back on social conservatism, and lose its most fervent supporters, allowing Democrats to win more in the South and rural Midwest.</p>
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		<title>By: Callsign Snoopy&#8217;s Doghouse &#187; Steele to Rush: I&#8217;m sorry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callsign Snoopy&#8217;s Doghouse &#187; Steele to Rush: I&#8217;m sorry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/limbaugh_-_steele_cage_match/comment-page-1/#comment-986361</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, guys,Get your minds around this if you can; Limbaugh isn&#039;t as popular as he is because he has any particular entertainment value. He&#039;s popular because he has the inight to pick up what the rank and file... the grassroots conservative Republicans are thinking, and articulating those thoughts,ideas and values.

This entire meme about Limbaugh is part and parcel of the attack on the Republican grass roots efforts.  Limbaugh most assuredly isn&#039;t in the leadership of the Republican party, whatever the Democrats might be spouting at the moment, but the attack serves the purposes of the Democrats by getting the Republican leadership to disown the values of the Republican grassroots. Stele didn&#039;t do that, but came close enough for serious questions to arise from his comments.

 I say this: I&#039;m disappointed with Cantor and with Steele in this. I&#039;ve been angry with McCain for years for the same reasons. 

Here it is;  I want Obama to fail in his plans, because his success means America fails. His successes thusfar are why we&#039;re still losing ground as a country. If Steele, Cantor, McCain and anyone else cannot get their feeble minds around that concept &lt;strong&gt;I want them nowhere near the reins of the Republican party.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, guys,Get your minds around this if you can; Limbaugh isn't as popular as he is because he has any particular entertainment value. He's popular because he has the inight to pick up what the rank and file... the grassroots conservative Republicans are thinking, and articulating those thoughts,ideas and values.</p>
<p>This entire meme about Limbaugh is part and parcel of the attack on the Republican grass roots efforts.  Limbaugh most assuredly isn't in the leadership of the Republican party, whatever the Democrats might be spouting at the moment, but the attack serves the purposes of the Democrats by getting the Republican leadership to disown the values of the Republican grassroots. Stele didn't do that, but came close enough for serious questions to arise from his comments.</p>
<p> I say this: I'm disappointed with Cantor and with Steele in this. I've been angry with McCain for years for the same reasons. </p>
<p>Here it is;  I want Obama to fail in his plans, because his success means America fails. His successes thusfar are why we're still losing ground as a country. If Steele, Cantor, McCain and anyone else cannot get their feeble minds around that concept <strong>I want them nowhere near the reins of the Republican party.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Clinton (and a GOP congress) gave Bush a budget surplus. Bush and a GOP congress gave us... what???&lt;/blockquote&gt;

partisan hack you say lol


&lt;blockquote&gt;Rush then mocked those who have criticized him for saying he wants Obama to fail, and directly challenged them to choose: You either want Obama to succeed or fail at his goal of dismantling conservatism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;James, here is the problem with the above statement (and the perceived wish of Rush&#039;s): He does not care whether the other guy is right or wrong, he wants them to fail because he is a slave to his own ideology, the facts be damned, this is a holy war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Whats wrong with it is it is not true neither is this.
 you feeling my is is baby?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clinton (and a GOP congress) gave Bush a budget surplus. Bush and a GOP congress gave us... what???</p></blockquote>
<p>partisan hack you say lol</p>
<blockquote><p>Rush then mocked those who have criticized him for saying he wants Obama to fail, and directly challenged them to choose: You either want Obama to succeed or fail at his goal of dismantling conservatism.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>James, here is the problem with the above statement (and the perceived wish of Rush's): He does not care whether the other guy is right or wrong, he wants them to fail because he is a slave to his own ideology, the facts be damned, this is a holy war.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whats wrong with it is it is not true neither is this.<br />
 you feeling my is is baby?</p>
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		<title>By: The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Old And New Media Have Field Day With Rush Limbaugh Michael Steele Showdown (Limbaugh Won)...&lt;/strong&gt;

A day without controversy is a day without sunshine in the increasingly growing new and old media. And Monday was a day when it seemed as if the sun with blinding light was ready to swallow up the earth: conservative talk show giant was at verbal ...</description>
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<p>A day without controversy is a day without sunshine in the increasingly growing new and old media. And Monday was a day when it seemed as if the sun with blinding light was ready to swallow up the earth: conservative talk show giant was at verbal ...</p>
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		<title>By: peng bandith</title>
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		<dc:creator>peng bandith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Steele should praise Rush Limbaugh for what
he has done for the Republican party in particular
and for the conservative movement in general.It was
an intention of CNN guy to make Michael Steele and
Rush Limbaugh mad at each other so the Democrats can
destroy the GOP and the conservative movement.
My country LAOS was under the control of the pro
communist North Vietnam since 1975 the year I arrived USA as a refugee or the war victim.
They use their power to control the people and the
Democrats use money to control the people.They will not give up their power unless the majority 
of the American people vote them out of office.
The American people should be aware of what is
going on in the world.Take Cuba for example,how
long did Fidel Castro have power,if he is sick he
passed his power to his brother.If you want 
somebody to control your life please vote for
the Democrats.The government should help the
disabled people not the do not want to work people.
I own a business and own my building ,every year
I have to pay almost $6000.00 and I have to borrow
the money to pay the state gov&#039;t because I do not
make profit and I want to sell my business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Steele should praise Rush Limbaugh for what<br />
he has done for the Republican party in particular<br />
and for the conservative movement in general.It was<br />
an intention of CNN guy to make Michael Steele and<br />
Rush Limbaugh mad at each other so the Democrats can<br />
destroy the GOP and the conservative movement.<br />
My country LAOS was under the control of the pro<br />
communist North Vietnam since 1975 the year I arrived USA as a refugee or the war victim.<br />
They use their power to control the people and the<br />
Democrats use money to control the people.They will not give up their power unless the majority<br />
of the American people vote them out of office.<br />
The American people should be aware of what is<br />
going on in the world.Take Cuba for example,how<br />
long did Fidel Castro have power,if he is sick he<br />
passed his power to his brother.If you want<br />
somebody to control your life please vote for<br />
the Democrats.The government should help the<br />
disabled people not the do not want to work people.<br />
I own a business and own my building ,every year<br />
I have to pay almost $6000.00 and I have to borrow<br />
the money to pay the state gov't because I do not<br />
make profit and I want to sell my business.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, none of the comments which I&#039;ve seen here address the REAL issue at hand. We have become a nation without conscience. Everyone is thinking in terms of a &quot;me first&quot; mentality, which is what got us into the mess we are in right now. Obama is as much of a sucker as all the rest, because he simply is feeding the greed which got us here. He rightfully states that our medical system has become too expensive. But the real problem goes back to why it is so. Answer--Flat out GREED! Doctors who look at you for two minutes and charge you $100 per minute for that privilege? Where&#039;s the rhyme and reason behind that?

Please understand one thing. I am AGAINST universal health care provided by the government, on basic principle. But even a government system will fail if it does not rein in the greed and enforce cuts on ghastly fees. I can remember a time when doctors went into the profession because they cared more about the people than about the money. Doctors can moan all about their high malpractice premiums that they want to. But fact is, if patients felt as though doctors actually cared about them, they&#039;d have far fewer lawsuits--and the care quality would go WAY UP!
If doctors aren&#039;t willing to start caring again, then it&#039;s time for them to GET OUT and bring in new ones who do!

The same thing applies to everything else that the government has thrown money at in recent months. Greed got them there--and now they want the government to bail them out of their blunders. Organized labor screwed big companies, then cry in pain because those companies can no longer compete--and the workers end up without jobs. You can&#039;t kill the goose that laid the golden eggs and still expect egg production. Stupid, asinine greed got us here--and only national repentance for our sins will get us out, NOT more government bailouts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, none of the comments which I've seen here address the REAL issue at hand. We have become a nation without conscience. Everyone is thinking in terms of a "me first" mentality, which is what got us into the mess we are in right now. Obama is as much of a sucker as all the rest, because he simply is feeding the greed which got us here. He rightfully states that our medical system has become too expensive. But the real problem goes back to why it is so. Answer--Flat out GREED! Doctors who look at you for two minutes and charge you $100 per minute for that privilege? Where's the rhyme and reason behind that?</p>
<p>Please understand one thing. I am AGAINST universal health care provided by the government, on basic principle. But even a government system will fail if it does not rein in the greed and enforce cuts on ghastly fees. I can remember a time when doctors went into the profession because they cared more about the people than about the money. Doctors can moan all about their high malpractice premiums that they want to. But fact is, if patients felt as though doctors actually cared about them, they'd have far fewer lawsuits--and the care quality would go WAY UP!<br />
If doctors aren't willing to start caring again, then it's time for them to GET OUT and bring in new ones who do!</p>
<p>The same thing applies to everything else that the government has thrown money at in recent months. Greed got them there--and now they want the government to bail them out of their blunders. Organized labor screwed big companies, then cry in pain because those companies can no longer compete--and the workers end up without jobs. You can't kill the goose that laid the golden eggs and still expect egg production. Stupid, asinine greed got us here--and only national repentance for our sins will get us out, NOT more government bailouts!</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I suppose many out there would prefer USA to fail as long as Obama succeed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And may I remind you, Obama only succeeds if we succeed? (and by we I mean the majority of the populace, not the narrow top 1% of the wage earners of America)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I suppose many out there would prefer USA to fail as long as Obama succeed.</p></blockquote>
<p>And may I remind you, Obama only succeeds if we succeed? (and by we I mean the majority of the populace, not the narrow top 1% of the wage earners of America)</p>
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