Keeping one’s sexuality to onesself is not a lie in any ordinary sense of the word.

That's as may be, Anjin, but he certainly was the one to invoke the word, therefore he apparently didn't check with James before considering it so.

Dance all you want, C Hawk. The matter at hand is you trashing a combat vet. Nothing new from you. You make a lot of noise about supporting the military, but don't hesitate to spit on those who actually serve when your ideology demands it.

Anyway, I think I have really had enough of this discussion, reading your comments about Lt. Choi has left me with a strong desire to puke.

Oh, spare me the fake self-rightiousness, Anjin.
You've just argued yourself into a self-rightious corner.

I recognize this is a little bit of a strech for that thing on top of your neck, but do try to think....

That question of years in rank was even a question James raised, if you will but recall, or go and re-read... Are we now, by the standard you apply to me, consider James a homophobe, too? Or, is this perhaps your way of evading a question you don't have an answer for?

You can crawl away, now.

I used to like a lot of nasty sex type stuff, and still do to some extent...

Like what? Sleeping with one of your siblings? Cousins? Or farm animals, perhaps? That would explain a lot...

Steve - no I don't think it is the same as co-ed showers and neither do most intelligent people.

Of course, and do you have the poll of most "intelligent people" that shows that they believe that most people would not care about sharing a shower with someone of the same sex who is gay? Please present that data for me. I am quite interested as to its methodology.

Just curious Steve, have you ever served?

Ah yes, the time worn tactic that people who disagree with "my position" must never have served and therefore are unqualified to comment.

Yes Mike, I served for 10 years in the Army. And your point about group showers is well taken, but even you admitted that the potential for problems is there.

I am personally not opposed to openly gay soldiers serving, but it does bother me that people who support it so brazenly suggest that there are simply no issues like those I mentioned. While most barracks have individual showers, most schools (like air assault, airborne school, etc.) and many training centers do not. So unless you could change the shower situation with a wave of the hand (which you can't) it is, even by your own admission, an issue.

That's all I am asking. Let's not pretend that it is as simple as dealing with basic prejudices, there are underlying concerns in close quarter living that generally do not exist in the outside world that simply must be considered.

Interestingly, neither Interested Party nor Mike advocated for co-ed showers, but presumably because they are "intelligent people" and I am not, their lack of concern must translate to all thinking people, so it was not worth addressing as a philosophical point.

Following the Honor Code never bowed to comfortable timing or popularity. Honor and integrity are 24-hour values. That is why I refuse to lie about my identity.

And what does a perverted taste for male genitalia have to do with ones identify? Dude if thats what defines you, you got problems.

you say butt sex and bj's and cuddling with some hairy dude is the center of your being and only what your made of and want to be?

I used to like a lot of nasty sex type stuff, and still do to some extent, but damn I never thought it was who I was, or that it should be a reason for discussing how much honesty or integrity I have.

"Still a louie" ...what are you dude? A Captain in the armchair warriors, keyboard platoon?

lol, what's a Louie.

showering just like what ever type of nasty perverted sex your into should be kept private, what are we animals.

So, he wasn't lying then? Even HE says he was lying "about my identity." until his recent admission.

I refer you to James remarks:

Keeping one’s sexuality to onesself is not a lie in any ordinary sense of the word.

Dance all you want, C Hawk. The matter at hand is you trashing a combat vet. Nothing new from you. You make a lot of noise about supporting the military, but don't hesitate to spit on those who actually serve when your ideology demands it.

Anyway, I think I have really had enough of this discussion, reading your comments about Lt. Choi has left me with a strong desire to puke.

And I'll point out I didn't question his service

How many years out of the point and he's still a louie? You make the assumption that was for no reason at all.

"Still a louie" ...what are you dude? A Captain in the armchair warriors, keyboard platoon?

I got "wrapped around the axle" about his service because part of the initial outrage was that we were discharging a "highly valuable" Arabic linguist in a time of need. I assumed that such a valuable resource would be attached to either intel or sigs, not the infantry.

My bad.

Only to an idiot

So, he wasn't lying then? Even HE says he was lying "about my identity." until his recent admission.

Clue:
That sound you heard just now was the lid on your box being slammed shut.

A little research reveals that 1LT Choi deployed to Iraq as a member of the 10th Mountain Div

While it's useful to a degree to examine this, (And I'll point out I didn't question his service) I wonder how that bears on the idea that after x years out of the point he's still a second louie. By about anyone's standards, that's the marker of someone who isn't going up in rank any further, Sam's point not withstanding. At the least, one can understand how someone in that position could read it that way.

I purposely introduced the REMF term IOT distinguish between Combat Arms and non-attached, "inside the wire" Combat Support units.

Not to be overly argumentative about this, but you can be killed by hostile forces and still be a REMF. See: TET Offensive, Saigon, 1968.

The title of this post would seem to have established that point.

Only to an idiot. Oh, wait, I see you have your hand up...

A little research reveals that 1LT Choi deployed to Iraq as a member of the 10th Mountain Div. No REMF organization, this.