Comments on: Malkin: Bush Worst President Ever on Homeland Security http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:18:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: PoliBlog ™: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Three of the New Jersey Six May Have Come Across the Mexican Border (when they were toddlers) http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-125023 PoliBlog ™: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Three of the New Jersey Six May Have Come Across the Mexican Border (when they were toddlers) Thu, 10 May 2007 02:05:38 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-125023 [...] Now, I will confess that I am surprised to learn that they possibly came across in Brownsville (although how this is know is unclear), not because I don’t see how it could happen (I can), but more because Brownsville is a long way from Jersey (and because there are so many ways to get in that going via Brownsville seems like a lot of trouble). Still, the fact that they were brought in as children hardly shows some vast al Qaeda plot to use the Mexican border as a means of penetrating the United States. Of course, that hasn’t stopped Michelle Malkin from crowing about how the Duka brothers came across the Mexican border (which is one of her great areas of interest). It is noteworthy that Malkin’s post doesn’t comment on the fact that the alleged crossing took place when the brothers were still in diapers (her update does have the information in a block of quoted information, and it is, to be fair, highlighted along with some other bits of information). Debbie Schlussel, not surprisingly, also finds the case to be evidence that terrorists are entering via the South and that we need a law that requires all traffic stops to result in immigration status checks (which would likely translate into checks of mostly darker hued persons with funny accents, not checks of everyone stopped). Indeed, since I carry neither my passport nor my birth certificate around with me at all times, I must confess that I couldn’t prove that I was in the country legally were I to be stopped. Indeed, unless Schlussel wants a national ID card to go along with her law, I am not sure how it could work. [...] [...] Now, I will confess that I am surprised to learn that they possibly came across in Brownsville (although how this is know is unclear), not because I don’t see how it could happen (I can), but more because Brownsville is a long way from Jersey (and because there are so many ways to get in that going via Brownsville seems like a lot of trouble). Still, the fact that they were brought in as children hardly shows some vast al Qaeda plot to use the Mexican border as a means of penetrating the United States. Of course, that hasn’t stopped Michelle Malkin from crowing about how the Duka brothers came across the Mexican border (which is one of her great areas of interest). It is noteworthy that Malkin’s post doesn’t comment on the fact that the alleged crossing took place when the brothers were still in diapers (her update does have the information in a block of quoted information, and it is, to be fair, highlighted along with some other bits of information). Debbie Schlussel, not surprisingly, also finds the case to be evidence that terrorists are entering via the South and that we need a law that requires all traffic stops to result in immigration status checks (which would likely translate into checks of mostly darker hued persons with funny accents, not checks of everyone stopped). Indeed, since I carry neither my passport nor my birth certificate around with me at all times, I must confess that I couldn’t prove that I was in the country legally were I to be stopped. Indeed, unless Schlussel wants a national ID card to go along with her law, I am not sure how it could work. [...]

]]> By: Bithead http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124752 Bithead Wed, 09 May 2007 03:05:05 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124752 (Sigh) I hate to have to do this, James, but I'm going to disagree, here. <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGE1NGQ2ODdkNTBhNTU5M2U1OWU2NzBjZmMxMjI4YzU=" rel="nofollow">Mark Kirkorian</a> as regards the FT Dix Jihad crew: <blockquote> They were doing jobs Americans won't do — no, I don't mean plotting to kill our soldiers. The three Kosovar illegal-alien brothers were roofers, precisely the kind of job that amnesty-boosters tell us we need immigrants for. In fact, I'll be testifying Thursday before the House Small Business Committee, where one of the other witnesses will be someone from the roofing contractors' association arguing for amnesty and even more immigration.</blockquote> (Sigh)
I hate to have to do this, James, but I'm going to disagree, here.

Mark Kirkorian as regards the FT Dix Jihad crew:

They were doing jobs Americans won't do — no, I don't mean plotting to kill our soldiers. The three Kosovar illegal-alien brothers were roofers, precisely the kind of job that amnesty-boosters tell us we need immigrants for. In fact, I'll be testifying Thursday before the House Small Business Committee, where one of the other witnesses will be someone from the roofing contractors' association arguing for amnesty and even more immigration.

]]> By: tylerh http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124680 tylerh Tue, 08 May 2007 19:51:52 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124680 Ms. Malkin may have a background in journalism, but her prominence is based on her vituperative commentator persona. Thus Ms. Malkin's personal experience tells us little about the reality of the modern reporters, whatever that reality may be. If she wanted better treatment in public, perhaps she should have made some somewhat different choices in how she publicly treated others in her columns. Ms. Malkin may have a background in journalism, but her prominence is based on her vituperative commentator persona. Thus
Ms. Malkin's personal experience tells us little about the reality of the modern reporters, whatever that reality may be.

If she wanted better treatment in public, perhaps she should have made some somewhat different choices in how she publicly treated others in her columns.

]]> By: Anderson http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124621 Anderson Tue, 08 May 2007 16:13:06 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124621 <em>I'm not as conservative as the Wisconsin Synod where they established their own version of the Boy Scouts so members wouldn't have to take oaths to God with non-Wisconsin Synod members. Doing so would be "too ecumenical."</em> Whoa. Just "whoa." I'm not as conservative as the Wisconsin Synod where they established their own version of the Boy Scouts so members wouldn't have to take oaths to God with non-Wisconsin Synod members. Doing so would be "too ecumenical."

Whoa. Just "whoa."

]]> By: Sean Hackbarth http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124613 Sean Hackbarth Tue, 08 May 2007 15:35:21 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124613 Anderson, yes I grew up in the Missouri Synod. I'm a firm believer in traditional services and in good melodies so I only want to sing from the red hymnal not the blue one (you have to be in the Missouri Synod to understand). I'm not as conservative as the Wisconsin Synod where they established their own version of the Boy Scouts so members wouldn't have to take oaths to God with non-Wisconsin Synod members. Doing so would be "too ecumenical." Anderson, yes I grew up in the Missouri Synod. I'm a firm believer in traditional services and in good melodies so I only want to sing from the red hymnal not the blue one (you have to be in the Missouri Synod to understand). I'm not as conservative as the Wisconsin Synod where they established their own version of the Boy Scouts so members wouldn't have to take oaths to God with non-Wisconsin Synod members. Doing so would be "too ecumenical."

]]> By: Michael http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124604 Michael Tue, 08 May 2007 15:13:36 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124604 <blockquote>Turns out the Bible isn't exclusively devoted to the topics of abortion and gay marriage -- who knew?</blockquote><blockquote>Anyone who has spent some time going to church.</blockquote><blockquote>Which would seem to exclude many so-called evangelicals.</blockquote> There is a difference between knowing and caring.

Turns out the Bible isn't exclusively devoted to the topics of abortion and gay marriage -- who knew?

Anyone who has spent some time going to church.

Which would seem to exclude many so-called evangelicals.

There is a difference between knowing and caring.

]]> By: Anderson http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124602 Anderson Tue, 08 May 2007 15:10:42 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124602 <em>Growing up in an old school, conservative Lutheran church I see some the services at those evangelical megachurches looking more like Oprah than church.</em> Word. My ELCA church just got the new hymnal, and we are less than thrilled. I take it that you're Missouri Synod or somesuch & thus spared such modernist misery. Growing up in an old school, conservative Lutheran church I see some the services at those evangelical megachurches looking more like Oprah than church.

Word. My ELCA church just got the new hymnal, and we are less than thrilled. I take it that you're Missouri Synod or somesuch & thus spared such modernist misery.

]]> By: Sean Hackbarth http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124599 Sean Hackbarth Tue, 08 May 2007 15:06:58 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124599 Growing up in an old school, conservative Lutheran church I see some the services at those evangelical megachurches looking more like Oprah than church. Growing up in an old school, conservative Lutheran church I see some the services at those evangelical megachurches looking more like Oprah than church.

]]> By: Anderson http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124596 Anderson Tue, 08 May 2007 14:48:42 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124596 <em>Anyone who has spent some time going to church.</em> Which would seem to exclude many so-called evangelicals. And I think you may underestimate the value of their position -- simply taking a moral stand can be as helpful as working out a specific policy package, sometimes moreso. Your own prescriptions sound sensible to me. Anyone who has spent some time going to church.

Which would seem to exclude many so-called evangelicals.

And I think you may underestimate the value of their position -- simply taking a moral stand can be as helpful as working out a specific policy package, sometimes moreso. Your own prescriptions sound sensible to me.

]]> By: Sean Hackbarth http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124595 Sean Hackbarth Tue, 08 May 2007 14:43:46 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124595 Anderson, The call for reform is pretty inoccuous. <blockquote>Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform does not back particular measures, said Katie Barge, a spokeswoman for Faith in Public Life, the organizers of a news conference about the group.</blockquote> The group wants changes but nothing specific. Okay, that means nothing. It's as useful a statement as me saying I want to eat, but not saying what food to consume. Amnesty is not acceptable to me because it was tried in the 1980s and didn't work. We need a reform that encourages immigrants to respect U.S. laws and borders. Yet I want immigrants to come to the U.S. So while I shun amnesty I urge lifting HB-1 visa numbers, lifting immigration quotas, and streamlining the process to emmigrate. We need to make immigration law easier and more inviting while at the same time not condoning current lawbreakers. <blockquote>Turns out the Bible isn't exclusively devoted to the topics of abortion and gay marriage -- who knew? </blockquote> Anyone who has spent some time going to church. Anderson,

The call for reform is pretty inoccuous.

Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform does not back particular measures, said Katie Barge, a spokeswoman for Faith in Public Life, the organizers of a news conference about the group.

The group wants changes but nothing specific. Okay, that means nothing. It's as useful a statement as me saying I want to eat, but not saying what food to consume.

Amnesty is not acceptable to me because it was tried in the 1980s and didn't work. We need a reform that encourages immigrants to respect U.S. laws and borders. Yet I want immigrants to come to the U.S. So while I shun amnesty I urge lifting HB-1 visa numbers, lifting immigration quotas, and streamlining the process to emmigrate. We need to make immigration law easier and more inviting while at the same time not condoning current lawbreakers.

Turns out the Bible isn't exclusively devoted to the topics of abortion and gay marriage -- who knew?

Anyone who has spent some time going to church.

]]> By: Anderson http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124580 Anderson Tue, 08 May 2007 13:40:42 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124580 Re: "streamlined legal immigration," <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/washington/08immigration.html" rel="nofollow">this NYT article</a> was striking: <i>A new coalition of <strong>more than 100 largely evangelical Christian leaders and organizations</strong> asked Congress on Monday to pass bills to <strong>strengthen border controls but also give illegal immigrants ways to gain legal residency</strong>. The announcement spotlights evangelical leaders’ increasingly visible efforts to push for what they say is a more humane policy in keeping with <strong>biblical injunctions to show compassion for their neighbors, the weak and the alien</strong>.</i> Turns out the Bible isn't exclusively devoted to the topics of abortion and gay marriage -- who knew? Re: "streamlined legal immigration," this NYT article was striking:

A new coalition of more than 100 largely evangelical Christian leaders and organizations asked Congress on Monday to pass bills to strengthen border controls but also give illegal immigrants ways to gain legal residency.

The announcement spotlights evangelical leaders’ increasingly visible efforts to push for what they say is a more humane policy in keeping with biblical injunctions to show compassion for their neighbors, the weak and the alien.

Turns out the Bible isn't exclusively devoted to the topics of abortion and gay marriage -- who knew?

]]> By: LaurenceB http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124568 LaurenceB Tue, 08 May 2007 12:38:18 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124568 "Amen" to what Sean said. Why isn't streamlined legal immigration discussed more often as part of a solution to illegal immigration? It seems so obvious to me. If more Mexicans are able to migrate legally, less Mexicans will want to migrate illegally. Pretty simple really. Also "Amen" to what James said. This fixation on the Mexican border is getting really silly. It's worth pointing out that not only will the big wall on the border not stop terrorists, but neither will it do anything to stop the estimated 50% of illegal aliens who enter by other (usually legal) means. "Amen" to what Sean said. Why isn't streamlined legal immigration discussed more often as part of a solution to illegal immigration? It seems so obvious to me. If more Mexicans are able to migrate legally, less Mexicans will want to migrate illegally. Pretty simple really.

Also "Amen" to what James said. This fixation on the Mexican border is getting really silly. It's worth pointing out that not only will the big wall on the border not stop terrorists, but neither will it do anything to stop the estimated 50% of illegal aliens who enter by other (usually legal) means.

]]> By: Sean Hackbarth http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124464 Sean Hackbarth Tue, 08 May 2007 05:14:22 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124464 The problem with Malkin, O'Reilly, Dobbs, and the hard core immigration activists is they don't talk about allowing people into the country. It's all about sealing the borders and preventing people from coming into America. I don't know about Malkin but I suspect O'Reilly and Dobbs don't want more immigrants into the country period. Their wrong populist economics prevents them from seeing more people as a resource instead of a burden. I would like to stem the flow of illegal immigration simply because it's illegal and the rule of law needs to be respected. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to fix the convoluted process that stops people from emigrating to the U.S. For the immigration activists seeking solutions to ease legal immigrants' barriers to entry would soften their image and make it hard for them to be accused of being anti-Latino or xenophobic. The problem with Malkin, O'Reilly, Dobbs, and the hard core immigration activists is they don't talk about allowing people into the country. It's all about sealing the borders and preventing people from coming into America. I don't know about Malkin but I suspect O'Reilly and Dobbs don't want more immigrants into the country period. Their wrong populist economics prevents them from seeing more people as a resource instead of a burden.

I would like to stem the flow of illegal immigration simply because it's illegal and the rule of law needs to be respected. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to fix the convoluted process that stops people from emigrating to the U.S.

For the immigration activists seeking solutions to ease legal immigrants' barriers to entry would soften their image and make it hard for them to be accused of being anti-Latino or xenophobic.

]]> By: Anderson http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124459 Anderson Tue, 08 May 2007 04:45:47 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124459 <em>Liberal douche bag!</em> Actually, liberals believe the vagina is a self-cleaning organ, & are thus opposed to douching on principle. Don't pretend you're not one of us, Honorable Pilot. <em>Irony... meter... pegging...</em> Yah, I wanted to go there, but my doctor's told me to cut my irony intake. I am just waiting for Malkin to propose that immigrants be rounded up & placed in remote camps. Maybe she'll release a promotional cheerleader video touting that notion, and a certain work of history that will illuminate the prospect for us all. Liberal douche bag!

Actually, liberals believe the vagina is a self-cleaning organ, & are thus opposed to douching on principle. Don't pretend you're not one of us, Honorable Pilot.

Irony... meter... pegging...

Yah, I wanted to go there, but my doctor's told me to cut my irony intake. I am just waiting for Malkin to propose that immigrants be rounded up & placed in remote camps. Maybe she'll release a promotional cheerleader video touting that notion, and a certain work of history that will illuminate the prospect for us all.

]]> By: legion http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/comment-page-1/#comment-124458 legion Tue, 08 May 2007 04:33:08 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/malkin_says_bush_worst_president_ever_on_homeland_security/#comment-124458 So, Malkin, descendant of immigrants, finally starts considering Bush's horrible impact on national security because of... his insufficiently hard-line stance on immigration. Irony... meter... pegging... So, Malkin, descendant of immigrants, finally starts considering Bush's horrible impact on national security because of... his insufficiently hard-line stance on immigration.

Irony... meter... pegging...

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