I've never claimed Blacks are "inferior," that's a false claim that you're attributing to me. I reject the whole notion of superiority and inferiority as applied to groups.

But you have argued that blacks as a group are inferior to whites as a group using IQ as a measure, have you not?

Lastly, it's not my concern which groups find solace in these views. Do real really expect vegetarians to modify their philosophy if it is taken up by some despicable cult?

No, but I would acknowledge that a despicable racist cult could find justification for its attitudes and actions in the IQ argument.

"White voters – what 50 years ago would have been called Americans because 50 years ago this country was 90 percent white – they went for McCain 55-45,” Brimelow told the inaugural meeting of the H.L. Mencken Club at a Baltimore hotel last Friday night. “It wasn’t overwhelming, but it was a sizeable victory. It’s not clear to me that the American people really supported Obama.” The president-elect only got a majority of white votes among 18-to-30-year-olds, according to Brimelow. “What this election shows is that whites vote one way and everybody else votes the other way.”

A former senior editor at Forbes magazine, author and founder and editor of the white nationalist hate website VDARE.com Brimelow blames the 1965 Immigration Act for a host of problems. (The Immigration Act greatly reduced the percentage of immigrants from Europe while allowing for huge increases in Asian and Hispanic immigration.) Until its passage, Brimelow said Friday, the United States had the option of being more like Switzerland – a relatively small population, stable birthrates, homogeneous and highly educated – or Brazil, which he characterized as “diverse” and “chaotic.” He added, “We’re in the process of becoming Brazil with gated communities and so forth.”

I'll leave it to OTB readers to decide whether that's racist.

Should a woman not be allowed to exercise her freedom to choose between a male and female OB/GYN because to do so on the basis of gender would constitute gender discrimination? Does this female patient not have the right to freely associate with people of her own choosing?

This woman has entered into a commercial transaction and if she has chosen one physician over the other simply on the basis of gender, should she be compelled by law to revoke that choice and choose her physician randomly?

An employer is entering into a commercial contract with an employee - there is an exchange of service for money. What business does government have in stepping into the middle of this commercial exchange and compelling an abridgment of free association? What's next, the government stepping into bookstores and abridging the right to free expression?

Have you so little faith in the good will of people that you believe, absent legal restrictions, that people will chose to actively discriminate? I don't share you lack of faith in my fellow Americans.

Thanks for confirming that.

TangoMan is the famous Peter Brimelow. We should be honored.

You've made claims here that you've found me writing various points. You've claimed that you've found these comments via Google. Show them to everyone. Link 'em up baby.

You know, it's rare that I actually come across a living, breathing caricature of a mindless leftist, but you're acting true to stereotype. Racist = anyone who bests a leftist in an argument. I can't believe that you're not man enough to admit to your lies.

If you're who I think you are, I'll bet I can supply you the quotes regarding miscegenation.

You fool. Your causality is assbackwards. You claimed the following:

. . .and shouldn't be intermarrying with our good white women

We have two alternatives to consider:

1.) You Googled my writings and found me writing this; or

2.) You're making things up, or as Rep. Joe Wilson so famously put it, "you lie."

Now you're claiming that you need personal information from me in order to verify your claim. If that's the case, then how is it that you made such an authoritative claim in the first place? You've just revealed yourself to be a liar with your accusations. It's impossible for you to provide evidence that TangoMan wrote anything remotely similar to your claim because Google doesn't return any hits which show me writing anything of the sort.

Although I find it interesting that you refused to answer my Canadian question.

Dude, small things occupy small minds. Why that is of interest to you is for you to deal with with your shrink. I've written on scores of topics, despite your allegations to the contrary. There's nothing uniquely noteworthy on my musings about Canadian Health Care and in fact, I have no clue which post you're even referring to for I've commented on Canadian Health Care for years, as well as British Health Care, happenings in the Japanese medical community, events in the Chinese medical-research community, Australian jurisprudence, I've compared the high altitude adaptations found in the Andeans, Tibetans, and Ethiopian highlanders, wine tastings, etc.

I suppose I should thank you for your complement on my comment about Canadian Health Care because it sure differed from the one offered by Our Paul in this thread:

Similarly, if you are going to pass yourself off as a knowledgeable in Canadian Health Care, simply quoting an article will not make you an expert. Some critical thought is necessary.

The interesting choice presented here is whether you are too easily impressed or whether Our Paul is too critical. Maybe the two of you should get a room and hash it out.

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You're twisting the argument. You were asserting that the bigots shouldn't have interests that should be protected. I disagree. Just because a bigot exercises their constitutional right to freedom of association in a way that you disapprove doesn't mean that I, and others, are wrong to defend the exercise of a constitutional freedom.

Only liberals support anti-discrimination laws? I'd love to see how many conservatives around here think that it shouldn't be illegal to deny selling someone a home because of the color of his skin or denying someone else a job because she is a woman...

Now, how could I possibly libel you? You're a pseudonym, absolutely unknown to any of us.

Although I find it interesting that you refused to answer my Canadian question. Nothing on Brimelow, nothing on VDare. Just a long attempt to throw me on the defensive, and a lot of Scientific Racist talking points. Not my terminology, by the way, "Scientific Racism," I think that came from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Here's the thing: if you tell us your real name I'd probably have to be more circumspect, wouldn't I? Because then you could sue me. You'd lose, but you could sue me.

Tell us who you are, TangoMan. If you're who I think you are, I'll bet I can supply you the quotes regarding miscegenation.

Physicians tend to see medical issues through the lens of their training. Political scientists tend to see politics through the lens of their training. Musicians tend to analyze music through the lens of their training.

Liberals tend to view the world through the lens of their ideology. Conservatives tend to view the world through the lens of their ideology.

I'm not a creationist. Full stop. My training and my proclivities toward the scientific method lead me to follow evidence based reasoning. Humans are not exempt from the factors that drive evolution. Full stop. You wanting to close your eyes to these factors and hold firm to your liberal creationist beliefs doesn't make me a racist.

You argue all of your points on politics and foreign policy based on the ideology you hold. You are identical to every other commentator who ventures forth with opinion or analysis that is informed by a world view. I do the same. I believe in human differences, I believe that human differences have social consequences, I believe that policy should either uniformly ignore human differences or uniformly acknowledge any differences. My holding to evidence-based reasoning doesn't make me a racist, it just makes me seek answers that you prefer to ignore, case in point, the comparisons on infant mortality are heavily influenced by population variance, such that women of some races have higher rates of multiple births than women of other races and such variance helps explain, in part, infant mortality rates.

I know that you're feeling all righteous in your little tirade, and like President Carter, you've relaxed any standards you have on who now qualifies as a racist, but you so devalue the charge when you apply it with such relaxed standards. Every physical anthropologist, population geneticist, and others who believe in evolution are not racists. You're a fool for thinking so. I can understand your feeling threatened by information which undermines your world view and the rage you must feel against your intellectual impotence in that you're unable to counter the challenges to your liberal creationism, but your Savonarola act will only take you so far, and you've already surpassed the point of lost credibility.

That message being: the mud people are stoopid and shouldn't be intermarrying with our good white women

OK putz, time to put up or shut up. Back up this, and previous, libels by quoting me or apologize.

TangoMan: I appreciate your admission that you have an agenda. I understand you have your own definition of that agenda, but agenda it is. And no, it's not comparable to mine: I'm all over the web talking about writing, foreign policy, politics.

You, on the other hand, are almost always on-message. That message being: the mud people are stoopid and shouldn't be intermarrying with our good white women or immigrating to the US and bringing down our collective IQ.

I have a question for you, TangoMan. Your name pops up next to Sailer a lot. What's interesting is that it seldom shows up next to Peter Brimelow. It's odd, because Brimelow bankrolls the Scientific Racist movement through his VDare Foundation. You'd think you'd mention him from time to time.

You had a very detailed answer about Canadian health care a while back, a rare departure from your singular obsession with race. Was that knowledge gained while you were living in Canada?

Bigots deserve their right to freely associate with people without having bleeding heart liberals run rampant over their Constitutional rights in their pursuit of creating a liberal nirvana.

Modern Liberalism would make Voltaire weep:

"I do not agree with a word you say and I will fight to the death to deny you the right to say it"

It's nice to know that you're an advocate for bigots and even, dare one type, racists...

This whole thread is stupid. Everyone knows Asians are smarter than whites AND blacks.

Sure is,but the only real smart people are liberals who teach other liberals how to be liberaler, and color has no meaning to liberals, they are color blind, unless your not a liberal, then your just wrong a racist......

They are the essence of what rainbows and lucky charms are made from, and are born to be that way, blessed by Gaea to lead the less evolved back into the wilderness.....