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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/market_crashes_doom_market_back_were_saved/comment-page-1/#comment-517059</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When Obama&#039;s in the lead markets everywhere crash. 74% of CEO&#039;s say Obama would be disastrous&lt;/blockquote&gt;[citation needed]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When Obama's in the lead markets everywhere crash. 74% of CEO's say Obama would be disastrous</p></blockquote>
<p>[citation needed]</p>
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		<title>By: JSBolton</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/market_crashes_doom_market_back_were_saved/comment-page-1/#comment-517053</link>
		<dc:creator>JSBolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obama panic is on. When Obama&#039;s in the lead markets everywhere crash. 74% of CEO&#039;s say Obama would be disastrous, while the markets have money talking with numbers that say the same as the CEO&#039;s. It&#039;s easy to stop the panic though, if those contacted by pollsters would say that they&#039;re not voting for Obama. Markets look ahead, they project what might be expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama panic is on. When Obama's in the lead markets everywhere crash. 74% of CEO's say Obama would be disastrous, while the markets have money talking with numbers that say the same as the CEO's. It's easy to stop the panic though, if those contacted by pollsters would say that they're not voting for Obama. Markets look ahead, they project what might be expected.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/market_crashes_doom_market_back_were_saved/comment-page-1/#comment-517001</link>
		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just jump halfway--the market is only down 50%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just jump halfway--the market is only down 50%.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/market_crashes_doom_market_back_were_saved/comment-page-1/#comment-516996</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And have you actually looked at the report?
Had the idea that individuals buying up multiple homes, crossed your mind?

Well...here&#039;s such a report, from KFYI:
http://kfyi.com/pages/local_news.html?feed=118695&amp;article=4364653


&lt;blockquote&gt;One illegal alien was arrested this year in Tucson after allegedly using a stolen social security number to buy two homes and rack up over $780,000 in bad debt.

Some five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens, according to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

It&#039;s not known how many of those have contributed to the subprime housing mortgage meltdown, but it has affected every state, including Arizona.

The problem began years ago when banks were forced to give mortgages without confirming social security numbers or borrower identification. As a result, illegal immigrants were able to obtain home mortgages which they could not afford. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

What would such added homes be used for? Any number of things. Added collateral, for one things. Fr another, well, let me ask you; Have you ever heard of a &quot;Coyote home&#039;?
 
The obvious implication here is we&#039;re just scratching the surface of the illegals problem, and it&#039;s impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And have you actually looked at the report?<br />
Had the idea that individuals buying up multiple homes, crossed your mind?</p>
<p>Well...here's such a report, from KFYI:<br />
<a href="http://kfyi.com/pages/local_news.html?feed=118695&amp;article=4364653" rel="nofollow">http://kfyi.com/pages/local_news.html?feed=118695&amp;article=4364653</a></p>
<blockquote><p>One illegal alien was arrested this year in Tucson after allegedly using a stolen social security number to buy two homes and rack up over $780,000 in bad debt.</p>
<p>Some five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens, according to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.</p>
<p>It's not known how many of those have contributed to the subprime housing mortgage meltdown, but it has affected every state, including Arizona.</p>
<p>The problem began years ago when banks were forced to give mortgages without confirming social security numbers or borrower identification. As a result, illegal immigrants were able to obtain home mortgages which they could not afford. </p></blockquote>
<p>What would such added homes be used for? Any number of things. Added collateral, for one things. Fr another, well, let me ask you; Have you ever heard of a "Coyote home'?</p>
<p>The obvious implication here is we're just scratching the surface of the illegals problem, and it's impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy, thanks for the back up.  I started out trying to point out how ridiculous the idea was...I guess I&#039;m happy I at least encouraged someone to point out about what was claimed to be &#039;fact.&#039;

It really is sad how few conservatives(hell people in general) think about &#039;facts&#039; told to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy, thanks for the back up.  I started out trying to point out how ridiculous the idea was...I guess I'm happy I at least encouraged someone to point out about what was claimed to be 'fact.'</p>
<p>It really is sad how few conservatives(hell people in general) think about 'facts' told to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The idea that 50% of the poorest and most mobile people in the country own houses seems ridiculous and rings as untrue. Am I the only one finding that insanely hard to believe?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Insanely hard to believe is an understatement.  That&#039;s a mortgage for every other illegal immigrant, meaning &lt;i&gt;each individual&lt;/i&gt; has a house somewhere.  Not family, indvidual.

The fallacy here was listening to Bithead.  Stick around a little longer - you&#039;ll not make that mistake more than a couple times (unless you fancy bashing your head into a wall, which is a marginally smarter and more productive activity).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The idea that 50% of the poorest and most mobile people in the country own houses seems ridiculous and rings as untrue. Am I the only one finding that insanely hard to believe?</p></blockquote>
<p>Insanely hard to believe is an understatement.  That's a mortgage for every other illegal immigrant, meaning <i>each individual</i> has a house somewhere.  Not family, indvidual.</p>
<p>The fallacy here was listening to Bithead.  Stick around a little longer - you'll not make that mistake more than a couple times (unless you fancy bashing your head into a wall, which is a marginally smarter and more productive activity).</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You&#039;re quibbling over whether it is 5 or 6 million?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, that&#039;s not where I was going.  I find the idea that roughly 1 in 2 of all illegal immigrants own a home.  The idea that 50% of the poorest and most mobile people in the country own houses seems ridiculous and rings as untrue.  Am I the only one finding that insanely hard to believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You're quibbling over whether it is 5 or 6 million?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, that's not where I was going.  I find the idea that roughly 1 in 2 of all illegal immigrants own a home.  The idea that 50% of the poorest and most mobile people in the country own houses seems ridiculous and rings as untrue.  Am I the only one finding that insanely hard to believe?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its confusing to the govt. bean counters because they had a LOT of co-signers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its confusing to the govt. bean counters because they had a LOT of co-signers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;5 million mortgages to illegals? I thought the count of illegal aliens was approximated at 12 mil. The HUD report claims that half of them have home mortgages...that doesn&#039;t sound right, one of those two numbers must be incorrect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You&#039;re quibbling over whether it is 5 or 6 million?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>5 million mortgages to illegals? I thought the count of illegal aliens was approximated at 12 mil. The HUD report claims that half of them have home mortgages...that doesn't sound right, one of those two numbers must be incorrect.</p></blockquote>
<p>You're quibbling over whether it is 5 or 6 million?</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 million mortgages to illegals?  I thought the count of illegal aliens was approximated at 12 mil.  The HUD report claims that half of them have home mortgages...that doesn&#039;t sound right, one of those two numbers must be incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 million mortgages to illegals?  I thought the count of illegal aliens was approximated at 12 mil.  The HUD report claims that half of them have home mortgages...that doesn't sound right, one of those two numbers must be incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To add, though, at least we haven&#039;t lost as badly as the Japanese Nikkei. The Nikkei has lost nearly 20% of its value in two days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, that&#039;s the interesting part of all of this; Relative to the rest, the dollar has been getting stronger the whole time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To add, though, at least we haven't lost as badly as the Japanese Nikkei. The Nikkei has lost nearly 20% of its value in two days.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, that's the interesting part of all of this; Relative to the rest, the dollar has been getting stronger the whole time.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note the use of the word &quot;fraudulant&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you aware that something like 5 million fruadulant loans are currently held by illegal aliens, accoring to a HUD report out this monring?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Just out of curiosity, how many of those 5 million have gone bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are you aware that something like 5 million fruadulant loans are currently held by illegal aliens, accoring to a HUD report out this monring?</p></blockquote>
<p>Just out of curiosity, how many of those 5 million have gone bad?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add, though, at least we haven&#039;t lost as badly as the Japanese Nikkei. The Nikkei has lost nearly 20% of its value in two days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add, though, at least we haven't lost as badly as the Japanese Nikkei. The Nikkei has lost nearly 20% of its value in two days.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s back down 436 points as of about noon Eastern Time. The chart of its value for the day so far is crazy - it&#039;s been on a bloody rollercoaster ride all morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's back down 436 points as of about noon Eastern Time. The chart of its value for the day so far is crazy - it's been on a bloody rollercoaster ride all morning.</p>
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