Comments on: Markos Zuniga’s Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

By: insider

insider — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:58:32 +0000

Numbers don't lie, statistics do.

By: Noumenon

Noumenon — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:22:48 +0000

You are far, far more reasonable than Kos here and make yourself look good. Nice post. (driveby)

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By: nextright

nextright — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:51:41 +0000

actually giving Kos the respect of responding to him, is too much attention. The guy is the leader of the looney left online. Just sit back, and watch them run the Dem party over a cliff. Nobody, not even the religous right is as dependent on blind faith in an ideology, and determined to squash all who do not agree.

By: Independent Sources » Blog Archive » Lies, Damn Lies, and Daily Kos

Independent Sources » Blog Archive » Lies, Damn Lies, and Daily Kos — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:51:11 +0000

[...] Outside the Beltway tears into this faulty correlation-is-causation argument (although he uses Latin!), and shows that if you remove the Middle East from the data, If we go even further back and look at the data from 1975 on (the last 30 years) we’d see that the last several years of terrorism incidents on average are about average. Given that we are fighting a war on terrorism that is not all that bad (and it isn’t all that great either). If we go back even further, we can see that terrorism ramped up, then down and is now ramping back up. Are we to believe that this is all due which Presidents are elected…if so, then we need to go take back the Nobel Peace Prize from Jimmy Carter. [...]

By: A Senior Administration Official

A Senior Administration Official — Sat, 09 Jul 2005 07:13:43 +0000

Building on the work above, when you disaggregate the data, the "international terror" Kos flusters over is mostly local. We used the same data to look at deaths outside the Middle East and found that for 2004, of 2,386 deaths listed,
- 229 of the fatalities were in Afghanistan, principally Taliban attacks against the government (would Kos have us go back to the good olâ days of Mullah Omar?)
- 233 in Pakistan (would he prefer an Islamo-fascist regime?)
- 459 in Russia, virtually all Chechnya, a conflict which dates to 1994;
- 316 in Uganda, perpetrated by the Lordâs Resistance Army (which is George Bushâs fault â¦ how?)
- 216 in India and Kashmir â¦ long-running border / separatist problems that are not exactly in the U.S. sphere of influence

We have more at Independent Sources here.

By: Baseball Crank

Baseball Crank — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:26:24 +0000

WAR: Simpletons

Jeff Goldstein: Atrios, Pandagon, Kos, and - more disturbingly, if it proves predictive of how the Democratic leadership will respond - at least one Democratic congresswoman I'm aware of, are all suggesting that today's London bombings prove that the...

By: BumperStickerist

BumperStickerist — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:45:16 +0000

More damning to Markos/Atrios/Pandagon's use of the original graphh is that the data analysis tools tell a completely different story. Once you disaggregate the nine regions and show them as separate plots on a single graph, you find that 'international terrorism' is on the decline in all areas save two: Middle East and Southeast Asia. In the case of North America, Western Europe, Africa, and Latin America - markedly so. Also, it's obvious that overall terrorism (excluding Middle East) was higher during the Clinton administration than during Bush's. Also, the graph shown at Kos includes 'terrorist incidents' which have 'zero injuries' and 'zero fatalities'. The data analysis tools there allow you to quickly filter for using ranges of casualties. If anything, the flypaper theory seems to bear out - there is an increase in terrorist activities - where the terrorists live.

By: cirby

cirby — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:31:49 +0000

It hasn't led to a drop in the *number* of terrorist activities, but it has certainly led to a decrease in effectiveness of each attack, and has certainly led to the deaths of a lot of the leaders and operations managers of the old terror networks. If the war on terror hasn't had a decisive effect, then why are the bad guys having to stoop to using kids off of the short bus, or putting the more gullible members of their teams into cars to "transport" and detonating them by remote control? If the world of terror was doing so well, why are they forced to use the guys off of the bench (or for that matter, having to use blatant fraud to get their "holy warriors"), and why are they having to go with cheaper and cheaper attacks? If Iraq didn't have all of those piles of weapons laying around (thanks, Saddam), most of the attacks there would be impossible to manage due to lack of material.

By: VodkaPundit

VodkaPundit — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:13:01 +0000

By the Numbers Is the "flypaper effect" working? According to data being (inadvertently) pimped by Mark "Kos" Zuniga and uncovered by James Joyner,...

By: ken

ken — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:47:24 +0000

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that Bush has done little or nothing to effectively counter terrorism. Oh sure, he's waging war on Iraq, and claims to be fighting terrorists. But as everyone knows that hasn't led to a decrease in terrorist activities.

By: bRight & Early » My Dog is a Terrorist

bRight & Early » My Dog is a Terrorist — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:35:40 +0000

[...] The left still doesn’t get it. Their primary (and not unexpected) response to yesterday’s bombings is along the lines of, “We’re very sad for the British people who were attacked. It was Bush’s/Blair’s fault.” Steve Verdon, posting on Outside the Beltway, does a great job fisking the left’s contention that Bush is responsible for increased terrorism. Michelle Malkin exposes several Reactions from the American Left as does Brian at Iowa Voice. Many others (follow the links in either of those posts) are pointing out the liberal lies as well. I invite you to look at the comments posted on any of the blogs who are actually saying that terrorists are the ones responsible for this attack. Inevitably there will be a comment or comments similar to the one I received (even with my relativly small readership) saying, “BUSH AND BLAIR BROUGHT THIS ON”. (I guess if you can’t make a real argument SAYING IT IN ALL CAPS will make people believe it.) [...]