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	<title>Comments on: McCain-Rice Beats Obama-Clinton in New York</title>
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		<title>By: Barack can&#8217;t win in November &#171; The Political Inquirer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barack can&#8217;t win in November &#171; The Political Inquirer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the general election. There are vast numbers of moderate Democrats who like McCain. Some polls suggest that McCain will even beat Hillary in New [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Column &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sounding Bitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Column &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sounding Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a double fantasy, but Outside the Beltway has word of a poll on two unlikely [...]</description>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, McCain &amp; The Secretary of &lt;strike&gt;State,&lt;/strike&gt; errr Torture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, McCain &amp; The Secretary of <strike>State,</strike> errr Torture</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also add that, after Obama sat down for a 3-hour grilling by reporters from the Chicago Tribune (which has been the major paper trumpeting the Rezko matter), the paper announced in an editorial that Obama had answered every single question at length without any apparent attempt to conceal anything, and that the Tribune has therefore dropped its unease about him.  I should also add that Rezko also has some links to the Clintons -- and that most of his co-defendants in the current indictment have made contributions to the Clintons, but NOT made any to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add that, after Obama sat down for a 3-hour grilling by reporters from the Chicago Tribune (which has been the major paper trumpeting the Rezko matter), the paper announced in an editorial that Obama had answered every single question at length without any apparent attempt to conceal anything, and that the Tribune has therefore dropped its unease about him.  I should also add that Rezko also has some links to the Clintons -- and that most of his co-defendants in the current indictment have made contributions to the Clintons, but NOT made any to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very suspicious of that Marist Poll -- virtually all nationwide polls right now show both Democrats running about even with McCain nationwide, which makes it VERY unlikely that he&#039;s be running even with them in one of the most Democratic states in the Union (let alone Hillary&#039;s home state).  I&#039;m even more suspicious of this poll given the apparent huge difference it shows in McCain&#039;s popularity depending on whether he has Rice or Lieberman as his running mate.

But I can&#039;t so easily shrug off today&#039;s Rasmussen polls showing McCain actually running a bit further ahead of Obama in Ohio than in Alaska or Montana ( www.rasmussen.com )!  A bunch of recent polls of Southern and border states by Rasmussen and Survey USA suggest that Obama&#039;s popularity among Southern working-class whites (a lot of whom have moved to Ohio) has collapsed because of the Pastor Wright affair, but that he&#039;s still fairly popular with non-Southern working-class whites.  A poll of low-education whites by Gallup today has hinted at something similar.  We just might end up with a really ugly, racially divisive general-election campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm very suspicious of that Marist Poll -- virtually all nationwide polls right now show both Democrats running about even with McCain nationwide, which makes it VERY unlikely that he's be running even with them in one of the most Democratic states in the Union (let alone Hillary's home state).  I'm even more suspicious of this poll given the apparent huge difference it shows in McCain's popularity depending on whether he has Rice or Lieberman as his running mate.</p>
<p>But I can't so easily shrug off today's Rasmussen polls showing McCain actually running a bit further ahead of Obama in Ohio than in Alaska or Montana ( <a href="http://www.rasmussen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussen.com</a> )!  A bunch of recent polls of Southern and border states by Rasmussen and Survey USA suggest that Obama's popularity among Southern working-class whites (a lot of whom have moved to Ohio) has collapsed because of the Pastor Wright affair, but that he's still fairly popular with non-Southern working-class whites.  A poll of low-education whites by Gallup today has hinted at something similar.  We just might end up with a really ugly, racially divisive general-election campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going to try flaying Obama just because of a few of his associates -- if that&#039;s even the word for some of them, since his &quot;association&quot; with Ayers seems to consist entirely of their both showing up at the same big party held by a liberal Chicago political activist in 1996 -- the little matter of McCain&#039;s association with Pastor Hagee (and, for that matter, his peace overtures toward Falwell before the latter&#039;s death) come to mind.  It was Falwell and Pat Robertson, after all, who announced the day after the 9-11 attacks that they were God&#039;s punishment of the US for supporting gay rights, and Hagee later said the same thing.  For morally repulsive comments in the wake of that tragedy, this definitely gives Wright a run for his money.  

By the way, Hagee also announced during a CNN interview two days ago, wearing a grim dead-serious expression, that it wasn&#039;t HIM who first called the Catholic Church &quot;the Great Whore&quot; -- it&#039;s the Book of Revelations that says that.  Which just proves yet again that loony bigoted white pastors can get away with much, much more in America than loony bigoted black pastors can, for the simple reason that there are a lot more white people in this country and the L.W.P.s therefore have much bigger congregations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we're going to try flaying Obama just because of a few of his associates -- if that's even the word for some of them, since his "association" with Ayers seems to consist entirely of their both showing up at the same big party held by a liberal Chicago political activist in 1996 -- the little matter of McCain's association with Pastor Hagee (and, for that matter, his peace overtures toward Falwell before the latter's death) come to mind.  It was Falwell and Pat Robertson, after all, who announced the day after the 9-11 attacks that they were God's punishment of the US for supporting gay rights, and Hagee later said the same thing.  For morally repulsive comments in the wake of that tragedy, this definitely gives Wright a run for his money.  </p>
<p>By the way, Hagee also announced during a CNN interview two days ago, wearing a grim dead-serious expression, that it wasn't HIM who first called the Catholic Church "the Great Whore" -- it's the Book of Revelations that says that.  Which just proves yet again that loony bigoted white pastors can get away with much, much more in America than loony bigoted black pastors can, for the simple reason that there are a lot more white people in this country and the L.W.P.s therefore have much bigger congregations.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer, you&#039;re spreading the right wing radio hack&#039;s swift boating attempt. Talk about desperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer, you're spreading the right wing radio hack's swift boating attempt. Talk about desperation.</p>
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		<title>By: Homer Raulks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homer Raulks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama’s Dubious Affiliations
The only possible reason why anyone would vote for Obama is because he is black. 
This is the most insidious form of racial discrimination.   
There is no way a white man with the same background and credentials could ever be elected even as a senator.  

Look at Obama’s affiliations:
- Mr. Rezko is Obama’s long time friend and a major mob figure. 
- Mr. Auchi is a billionaire and major financial sponsor for Obama’s rise to power throughout the past years. 
While working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made his money through the sell of arms in Iraq and by stealing money from the Oil for Food program (no wonder Obama voted against invading Iraq)
- Mr. Wright is a racist who hates America and whites and is reminiscent of Hitler and has been Mr. Obama’s teacher for over 20 years. 
- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is one of Obama’s major supporters and is Obama;s super-delegate listed on Obama’s Obama’s campaign website.  Mr. Meeks has also been integral in helping Mr. Obama succeed in politics.   
- Mr. Ayers members of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called the Woods Fund.
- Mr. McPeaks is Obama’s military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who claims that American Jews are the &quot;problem.&quot; and “Christian Zionists were driving America&#039;s policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.”
- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as “the second coming of the messiah,” and also states that she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life&quot;.

The list goes on…

How can Obama’s bad judgment and affiliation with criminals and fanatics be justified?

Oh! And don’t forget Obama’s desire to add Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the above list.   Didn’t Mussolini choose Hitler to be his friend?  We certainly will be able to add Ahmadinejad to the future list of Obama’s friends as we hide in our nuclear shelters. 

Hey everybody - am I missing something here?   

It seems to me that perhaps instead of electing Obama president, it would be easier if we just shot our collective foot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&rsquo;s Dubious Affiliations<br />
The only possible reason why anyone would vote for Obama is because he is black.<br />
This is the most insidious form of racial discrimination.<br />
There is no way a white man with the same background and credentials could ever be elected even as a senator.  </p>
<p>Look at Obama&rsquo;s affiliations:<br />
- Mr. Rezko is Obama&rsquo;s long time friend and a major mob figure.<br />
- Mr. Auchi is a billionaire and major financial sponsor for Obama&rsquo;s rise to power throughout the past years.<br />
While working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made his money through the sell of arms in Iraq and by stealing money from the Oil for Food program (no wonder Obama voted against invading Iraq)<br />
- Mr. Wright is a racist who hates America and whites and is reminiscent of Hitler and has been Mr. Obama&rsquo;s teacher for over 20 years.<br />
- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is one of Obama&rsquo;s major supporters and is Obama;s super-delegate listed on Obama&rsquo;s Obama&rsquo;s campaign website.  Mr. Meeks has also been integral in helping Mr. Obama succeed in politics.<br />
- Mr. Ayers members of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called the Woods Fund.<br />
- Mr. McPeaks is Obama&rsquo;s military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who claims that American Jews are the "problem." and “Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.”<br />
- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as “the second coming of the messiah,” and also states that she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life".</p>
<p>The list goes on…</p>
<p>How can Obama&rsquo;s bad judgment and affiliation with criminals and fanatics be justified?</p>
<p>Oh! And don&rsquo;t forget Obama&rsquo;s desire to add Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the above list.   Didn&rsquo;t Mussolini choose Hitler to be his friend?  We certainly will be able to add Ahmadinejad to the future list of Obama&rsquo;s friends as we hide in our nuclear shelters. </p>
<p>Hey everybody - am I missing something here?   </p>
<p>It seems to me that perhaps instead of electing Obama president, it would be easier if we just shot our collective foot.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rice more than approved and authorized of the use of torture, she helped hand pick the methods. So... they&#039;re thinking of her for VP?? I say &quot;bring it on&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rice more than approved and authorized of the use of torture, she helped hand pick the methods. So... they're thinking of her for VP?? I say "bring it on"!</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zelsdorf... yes waterboarding is torture. It was torture when we convicted the Japanese of doing it after WWII... we called it a &quot;war crime&quot;. It&#039;s torture when we do it too, and a war crime.

And FYI... even McCain said he was an American traitor under torture, because TORTURE DOESN&#039;T WORK... it gets bogus confessions so, other than using it as revenge, there is no reason for it in the first place. In the second place, it&#039;s immoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zelsdorf... yes waterboarding is torture. It was torture when we convicted the Japanese of doing it after WWII... we called it a "war crime". It's torture when we do it too, and a war crime.</p>
<p>And FYI... even McCain said he was an American traitor under torture, because TORTURE DOESN'T WORK... it gets bogus confessions so, other than using it as revenge, there is no reason for it in the first place. In the second place, it's immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ask Richard Perl about torture. Sorry, he is not talking any more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Richard Perle?  I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;s still talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ask Richard Perl about torture. Sorry, he is not talking any more.</p></blockquote>
<p>Richard Perle?  I'm pretty sure he's still talking.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, I&#039;d have to say that &lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4583256&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rice&#039;s apparent direct participation in a war crime&lt;/a&gt; would tend to make her quite radioactive in the general.&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Then-National Security Advisor Rice, sources said, was decisive. Despite growing policy concerns -- shared by Powell -- that the program was harming the image of the United States abroad, sources say she did not back down, telling the CIA: &quot;This is your baby. Go do it.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I gotta say that John McCain having a VP that approved water boarding of prisoners would truly be a virtuouso pandering performance for the man, though.  Considering what he endured in Vietnam, and what he&#039;s said in the past, I can just see the ads that will be running non-stop and I simply couldn&#039;t wait for the VP debates.  Man, that&#039;d be so frickin&#039; cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, I'd have to say that <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4583256" rel="nofollow">Rice's apparent direct participation in a war crime</a> would tend to make her quite radioactive in the general.<br />
<blockquote><em>Then-National Security Advisor Rice, sources said, was decisive. Despite growing policy concerns -- shared by Powell -- that the program was harming the image of the United States abroad, sources say she did not back down, telling the CIA: "This is your baby. Go do it."</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I gotta say that John McCain having a VP that approved water boarding of prisoners would truly be a virtuouso pandering performance for the man, though.  Considering what he endured in Vietnam, and what he's said in the past, I can just see the ads that will be running non-stop and I simply couldn't wait for the VP debates.  Man, that'd be so frickin' cool.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zelsdorf - sorry but I am not a member of AQ or a Saddamite - just b/c they torture does not mean anyone including the US (leader of freedom/rights etc... or are you against all these principles as well) should do it- torture is wrong no matter who does it - did you ever wonder why every single two star JAG (meaning the top JAG) for each branch of service currently serving (and the previous ones as well) all agreed that water boarding is torture and cannot be used by service members and that the GC applies and outlaws waterboarding and torture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zelsdorf - sorry but I am not a member of AQ or a Saddamite - just b/c they torture does not mean anyone including the US (leader of freedom/rights etc... or are you against all these principles as well) should do it- torture is wrong no matter who does it - did you ever wonder why every single two star JAG (meaning the top JAG) for each branch of service currently serving (and the previous ones as well) all agreed that water boarding is torture and cannot be used by service members and that the GC applies and outlaws waterboarding and torture?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I smell a McCain landslide.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What you&#039;re smelling is bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I smell a McCain landslide.</p></blockquote>
<p>What you're smelling is bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet, if you think waterboarding is torture.  What do you think of some of the methods used by Saddam or al Qaeda?  You know, ones that actually cause pain and injury.  Do you, Janet always wear the kid gloves you have on to treat those who would kill you and your children in the most hideous manner imaginable?  Ask Richard Perl about torture.  Sorry, he is not talking any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet, if you think waterboarding is torture.  What do you think of some of the methods used by Saddam or al Qaeda?  You know, ones that actually cause pain and injury.  Do you, Janet always wear the kid gloves you have on to treat those who would kill you and your children in the most hideous manner imaginable?  Ask Richard Perl about torture.  Sorry, he is not talking any more.</p>
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