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		<title>By: Obama Breaking Away in Electoral Vote Race</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Breaking Away in Electoral Vote Race</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] largely conforms to my expectations, as expressed in my post-debate instant analysis.  Neither candidate committed any gaffes and there were no particularly memorable sound bytes, so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: manisthemeasure</title>
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		<dc:creator>manisthemeasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two went to Ole Miss yesterday for two different reasons. Obama, it appeared, went to propose policy changes he believed would improve the current situation, over all. McCain, on the other hand, seemed angered by the fact that he had to debate Obama. His mission last night did not seem to be to debate Obama but to remind the American people, and the world,  that Obama was still in diapers when he, McCain, was first elected to the Senate. The way he saw it, He had done it all, met all these people, won wars, solved economic problems and had all the answers. Obama, on the contrary, was naive and just didn&#039;t know anything. Unfortunately for him, the majority of those who saw the debate don&#039;t share that opinion.

McCain came across as disrespectful and contemptuous, even supercilious most of the time. It was as if he didn&#039;t want to be there,..well, he did express that..but it seemed to be more because of who his opponent was. Even his pen was older than Obama!

This is the same McCain who spent the whole summer luring Obama to town hall meetings. He finally gets Obama on the same stage with him and he spent the whole evening talking about Obama and not to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two went to Ole Miss yesterday for two different reasons. Obama, it appeared, went to propose policy changes he believed would improve the current situation, over all. McCain, on the other hand, seemed angered by the fact that he had to debate Obama. His mission last night did not seem to be to debate Obama but to remind the American people, and the world,  that Obama was still in diapers when he, McCain, was first elected to the Senate. The way he saw it, He had done it all, met all these people, won wars, solved economic problems and had all the answers. Obama, on the contrary, was naive and just didn't know anything. Unfortunately for him, the majority of those who saw the debate don't share that opinion.</p>
<p>McCain came across as disrespectful and contemptuous, even supercilious most of the time. It was as if he didn't want to be there,..well, he did express that..but it seemed to be more because of who his opponent was. Even his pen was older than Obama!</p>
<p>This is the same McCain who spent the whole summer luring Obama to town hall meetings. He finally gets Obama on the same stage with him and he spent the whole evening talking about Obama and not to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your analysis and conclusions, James, and from what I&#039;m seeing around the &#039;sphere reactions seem to be largely on a where you stand is where you sit basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your analysis and conclusions, James, and from what I'm seeing around the 'sphere reactions seem to be largely on a where you stand is where you sit basis.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debated provided something for everyone -- McCain has a clear grasp of foreign policy, and Obama has hope and change... and a bracelet... too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debated provided something for everyone -- McCain has a clear grasp of foreign policy, and Obama has hope and change... and a bracelet... too.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On foreign policy, Obama really let McCain dictate most of the ground upon which they debated, particularly in terms of Iraq (which turned into a Duel of Re-Phrased Talking Points) and Russia (where Obama more or less just advocated a milquetoast version of the standard plan advocated that McCain advocates with Extra Aggression Sauce. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;McCain slammed Obama on the meeting Iran without conditions showing Obama&#039;s naivete. Obama didn&#039;t seem to get that meeting with the American President legitimizes the regime and should never be done without something to show for it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who cares? The regime already has effective legitimacy anyways because most of the other powerful nations and the UN have established diplomatic relations with them - the point of the negotiations is so that we have a &lt;strong&gt;direct channel&lt;/strong&gt; with which to talk to them (and also so that we have an embassy from which to recruit spies in Iran). It&#039;s just another example of no administration wanting to rock the boat and pull the fingers out of its ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On foreign policy, Obama really let McCain dictate most of the ground upon which they debated, particularly in terms of Iraq (which turned into a Duel of Re-Phrased Talking Points) and Russia (where Obama more or less just advocated a milquetoast version of the standard plan advocated that McCain advocates with Extra Aggression Sauce. </p>
<blockquote><p>McCain slammed Obama on the meeting Iran without conditions showing Obama's naivete. Obama didn't seem to get that meeting with the American President legitimizes the regime and should never be done without something to show for it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who cares? The regime already has effective legitimacy anyways because most of the other powerful nations and the UN have established diplomatic relations with them - the point of the negotiations is so that we have a <strong>direct channel</strong> with which to talk to them (and also so that we have an embassy from which to recruit spies in Iran). It's just another example of no administration wanting to rock the boat and pull the fingers out of its ears.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in my car the whole time listening to XM 150 (the unedited comedy channel) so I think I won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in my car the whole time listening to XM 150 (the unedited comedy channel) so I think I won.</p>
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		<title>By: Fence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought both showed they are plenty capable of being President.  Can anyone imagine Palin engaged in some of the same conversations?  

I thought McCain landed the best punch of the debate, with the continuous theme that Obama didn&#039;t &quot;understand&quot; X or Y because of his inexperience.  Obviously Obama should have known this was coming, so it&#039;s odd he didn&#039;t have a ready snap answer.  Perhaps a &quot;John, we all know you understand a lot about the 20th century, but let&#039;s talk about understanding the 21st.&quot;  On the other hand, maybe McCain&#039;s meme didn&#039;t really work because it looked very much like Obama did understand.  Maybe that is actually the story of the night. 

As someone who grew up in the Deep South, it was really striking that I never even heard one person on TV talk about how incredible it is that in Oxford, Mississippi, well within the lifetimes of, let&#039;s say, Trent Lott&#039;s Ole Miss class of 1963, a black man stood tall on the national debate stage as the front runner for President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought both showed they are plenty capable of being President.  Can anyone imagine Palin engaged in some of the same conversations?  </p>
<p>I thought McCain landed the best punch of the debate, with the continuous theme that Obama didn't "understand" X or Y because of his inexperience.  Obviously Obama should have known this was coming, so it's odd he didn't have a ready snap answer.  Perhaps a "John, we all know you understand a lot about the 20th century, but let's talk about understanding the 21st."  On the other hand, maybe McCain's meme didn't really work because it looked very much like Obama did understand.  Maybe that is actually the story of the night. </p>
<p>As someone who grew up in the Deep South, it was really striking that I never even heard one person on TV talk about how incredible it is that in Oxford, Mississippi, well within the lifetimes of, let's say, Trent Lott's Ole Miss class of 1963, a black man stood tall on the national debate stage as the front runner for President.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What struck me was how many times Sen. Obama said (something like): &quot;Sen. McCain is right...&quot; It was frequent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama is choosing his battles, not just arguing for arguments sake based on talking points. He did the same thing to Hillary. Did you note how that worked out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What struck me was how many times Sen. Obama said (something like): "Sen. McCain is right..." It was frequent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama is choosing his battles, not just arguing for arguments sake based on talking points. He did the same thing to Hillary. Did you note how that worked out?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What struck me was how many times Sen. Obama said (something like): &quot;Sen. McCain is right...&quot; It was frequent. I am sure an accurate count will follow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;He always seemed to hedge those with a &quot;but...&quot;.  Basically saying &quot;He&#039;s right about the facts, but draws the wrong conclusions&quot;, or &quot;He&#039;s right about what we need to do, but his proposal won&#039;t do it&quot;.  So he wasn&#039;t exactly agreeing with him every time he said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What struck me was how many times Sen. Obama said (something like): "Sen. McCain is right..." It was frequent. I am sure an accurate count will follow.</p></blockquote>
<p>He always seemed to hedge those with a "but...".  Basically saying "He's right about the facts, but draws the wrong conclusions", or "He's right about what we need to do, but his proposal won't do it".  So he wasn't exactly agreeing with him every time he said that.</p>
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		<title>By: PJens</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What struck me was how many times Sen. Obama said (something like): &quot;Sen. McCain is right...&quot; It was frequent. I am sure an accurate count will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What struck me was how many times Sen. Obama said (something like): "Sen. McCain is right..." It was frequent. I am sure an accurate count will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain said he saved the taxpayers 6.8 billion. Heck, that will cover his wife&#039;s wardrobe for a first term easy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain said he saved the taxpayers 6.8 billion. Heck, that will cover his wife's wardrobe for a first term easy...</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did anyone else notice, and was bothered by the fact, that McCain never looked Obama in the eye, even when he was supposed to be responding to him?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Hell, I could barely even look at the TV.  I&#039;m an Obama supporter, but I was hoping for a better performance than that.  Neither one of these guys are really good at debating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did anyone else notice, and was bothered by the fact, that McCain never looked Obama in the eye, even when he was supposed to be responding to him?</p></blockquote>
<p>Hell, I could barely even look at the TV.  I'm an Obama supporter, but I was hoping for a better performance than that.  Neither one of these guys are really good at debating.</p>
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		<title>By: od</title>
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		<dc:creator>od</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d call it a tie - its the kind of debate where everyone will think their candidate won, and won&#039;t help the undecided make a decision ... most folks probably wouldn&#039;t have watched more than a few minutes of it anyway before switching to something more interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd call it a tie - its the kind of debate where everyone will think their candidate won, and won't help the undecided make a decision ... most folks probably wouldn't have watched more than a few minutes of it anyway before switching to something more interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t see the debate as a tie.  

Obama&#039;s stumbling on the name on his bracelet killed any effect it was to have and showed the bracelet as a prop.  McCain knew the mother&#039;s name as well as the soldier&#039;s name.

Obama said &quot;McCain is right&quot; ten times or was it 12.

McCain slammed Obama on the meeting Iran without conditions showing Obama&#039;s naivete.  Obama didn&#039;t seem to get that meeting with the American President legitimizes the regime and should never be done without something to show for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't see the debate as a tie.  </p>
<p>Obama's stumbling on the name on his bracelet killed any effect it was to have and showed the bracelet as a prop.  McCain knew the mother's name as well as the soldier's name.</p>
<p>Obama said "McCain is right" ten times or was it 12.</p>
<p>McCain slammed Obama on the meeting Iran without conditions showing Obama's naivete.  Obama didn't seem to get that meeting with the American President legitimizes the regime and should never be done without something to show for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else notice, and was bothered by the fact, that McCain never looked Obama in the eye, even when he was supposed to be responding to him?</description>
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