Gee, I must have missed an election. I thought the democrats took control of congress in 2006. Why isn't Stephanopoulous talking about the way Obama is going to vote?

Because it's a liberal proposition, not a conservative one. The way Obama votes on this won't sway congressional conservatives, but the way McCain votes may sway congressional liberals.

You can't get more liberal than $700 billion in government spending, the only direction things can go is (fiscal) conservative, and the only one of the candidates who will be influential in that is John McCain. Is it unfair? Perhaps, but it's reality, and you can either bitch about it or deal with it, because you're not gonna change it.

Posted by Michael | September 24, 2008 | 12:15 pm | Permalink

Wow... MIchael, well said. Does anybody else wonder about how schizophrenic this election has gotten?

Consider: BO's plan has a smaller deficit than JM's.

SAY WHAT????

Guys, I am a deficit hawk with a liberal bent.... most of you are are deficit hawks with conservative bents... and what do we argue(discuss) about?

WHETHER JM OR BO HAS CONTROL OVER THE FATE OF A $700 BILION DOLLAR BAILOUT AND WHY?????

Look, we may well disagree about what our priorities should be, but we all seem to agree that SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR IT!

Maybe we should all stop, take a deep breath, and consider whether this is a good thing? And if so, How? What are the downsides of it etc?

As far as I can tell, all of the promises of the candidates are long gone. BO's national health care? Up in smoke. JM's continuation of the Bush tax cuts? Get real.

We gotta pay for this shit. NOW.

So you are saying that the democrats in congress have such a low opinion of Obama and his judgement that if Obama voted for the plan, none of them would tag along? That would seem to show more sense than congress is usually won't to have.

Yeah, sure YAJ, you can take it that way if it makes you feel better.

So you are saying that the democrats in congress have such a low opinion of Obama and his judgement that if Obama voted for the plan, none of them would tag along? That would seem to show more sense than congress is usually won't to have.

44% constitutes “general opinion”?

I was referring to opinion in congress, which is who will be voting on this. Now I could be wrong on that too, but just from what I hear coming from the capital, opinion seems to be mostly against the Paulson proposal (but not necessarily against a bailout itself).

Again, it's not about how many people of each party there are, it's about how many people against the proposal can be swayed by either candidate.

Obama's vote is not the lynchpin of success or failure of

...anything.

Let me refer you to a document you don't seem to be familiar with.

Article I

Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

The fact that the democratic congress is inept and incompetent doesn't change their constitutional duties. If Obama or any other democrat has the brains or the balls to propose an alternative plan, have at it. But this legislation is for congress to pass or not pass. Obama is the candidate for the party in power in congress. So by the very same logic, if Obama says no and the democrats stick with him as Stephie proposes the GOP would stick with McCain as their candidate, then there is no way to get a majority of votes in either house. If McCain votes yes and all the GOP with hims and Obama votes no and all the democrats with him, the bill dies. Thus it would seem that the fate of the bill, by Stephies logic, lies with Obama not McCain.

But given Stephies political background, it isn't surprising he can't follow his logic that far.

Gee, I must have missed an election. I thought the democrats took control of congress in 2006. Why isn't Stephanopoulous talking about the way Obama is going to vote?

Because it's a liberal proposition, not a conservative one. The way Obama votes on this won't sway congressional conservatives, but the way McCain votes may sway congressional liberals.

You can't get more liberal than $700 billion in government spending, the only direction things can go is (fiscal) conservative, and the only one of the candidates who will be influential in that is John McCain. Is it unfair? Perhaps, but it's reality, and you can either bitch about it or deal with it, because you're not gonna change it.

Why isn't Stephanopoulous talking about the way Obama is going to vote

Maybe because, you know, McCain is the Republican candidate for president and the plan is being pushed by a Republican administration. And, according to the report in JJ's post, “If McCain doesn’t come out for this, it’s over,” a Top House Republican tells ABC News.
Obama's vote is not the lynchpin of success or failure of the bailout bill.