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		<title>By: PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Oh, That Surge!</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-470291</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Oh, That Surge!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] = &#039;Oh%2C+%3Ci%3EThat%3C%2Fi%3E+Surge%21&#039;; addthis_pub = &#039;&#039;;   Sphere: Related Contenth/t: Alex Knapp [&#8617;] Previous Related Posts Violence Levels Unchanged by the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-470277</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shutting down the comments on this one, guys.  The thread has gone way off topic and the tone is getting increasingly uncivil.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-470246</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dude, wtf? I mean, really. You&#039;re literally calling me out, demanding an explanation from me regarding string theory? Wow. Advantage Mannning!&lt;/blockquote&gt;If you could produce a unifying quantum theory of gravity, that would be helpful too.  Surely that&#039;s not too much to ask for on a political blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dude, wtf? I mean, really. You're literally calling me out, demanding an explanation from me regarding string theory? Wow. Advantage Mannning!</p></blockquote>
<p>If you could produce a unifying quantum theory of gravity, that would be helpful too.  Surely that's not too much to ask for on a political blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-470241</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ll just take it from your response, Dr. B, that you literally have nothing to say and are merely reduced to the humiliating rendition of common third ground playground tactics simply because you can&#039;t think of your own come backs&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nah. Simply bringing it to a level you&#039;ll be sure to understand. You clearly understand so little of the discourse around here. I&#039;m such a nice guy, ain&#039;t I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'll just take it from your response, Dr. B, that you literally have nothing to say and are merely reduced to the humiliating rendition of common third ground playground tactics simply because you can't think of your own come backs</p></blockquote>
<p>Nah. Simply bringing it to a level you'll be sure to understand. You clearly understand so little of the discourse around here. I'm such a nice guy, ain't I?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course Bush&#039;s revocation of the federal ban affected the market,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The &quot;Federal Ban&quot;... in other words, the Bush ban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course Bush's revocation of the federal ban affected the market,</p></blockquote>
<p>The "Federal Ban"... in other words, the Bush ban</p>
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469664</link>
		<dc:creator>peterh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Spouting off Dem talking points”

Oh please…cite for me one item I’ve listed that is a Dem talking point (other than time span, which happens to be true) yahoo, we can deliver oil on a cost plus in 10 years, but….we don’t know what that cost plus is….but we do know it will be at market…..whatever market is in 10 years….ka ching…..

BTW….I’m not a Dem….but…I did stay at Holiday Inn and was happy to pay the going rate (ref: Capitalist)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Spouting off Dem talking points”</p>
<p>Oh please…cite for me one item I&rsquo;ve listed that is a Dem talking point (other than time span, which happens to be true) yahoo, we can deliver oil on a cost plus in 10 years, but….we don&rsquo;t know what that cost plus is….but we do know it will be at market…..whatever market is in 10 years….ka ching…..</p>
<p>BTW….I&rsquo;m not a Dem….but…I did stay at Holiday Inn and was happy to pay the going rate (ref: Capitalist)</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What? That the chimp’s...&lt;/blockquote&gt;What an intelligent and earnest way to start off.

Of course Bush&#039;s revocation of the federal ban affected the market, as has several other recent developments.  Spouting off Dem talking points will not change the likelihood that when folks such as Ken Salazar are up for re-election in two years,  their rhetoric of today will have been thrown under the bus (seems a commonality for the left these days).  There is only so long that you can blame someone else for your own failings - sooner or later, you have to actually do something to justify your elected office.  Oil shale extraction and off-shore drilling will quietly be ushered in once they are no longer a convenient bludgeon for the left and the press to bash the &#039;chimp&#039; with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What? That the chimp&rsquo;s...</p></blockquote>
<p>What an intelligent and earnest way to start off.</p>
<p>Of course Bush's revocation of the federal ban affected the market, as has several other recent developments.  Spouting off Dem talking points will not change the likelihood that when folks such as Ken Salazar are up for re-election in two years,  their rhetoric of today will have been thrown under the bus (seems a commonality for the left these days).  There is only so long that you can blame someone else for your own failings - sooner or later, you have to actually do something to justify your elected office.  Oil shale extraction and off-shore drilling will quietly be ushered in once they are no longer a convenient bludgeon for the left and the press to bash the 'chimp' with.</p>
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469563</link>
		<dc:creator>peterh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“the root of the argument at hand lies in a belief system”

What?  I’m fired because I chose to believe [insert whatever] rather than doing my homework…..

YO….Darwin….ya missed one here….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“the root of the argument at hand lies in a belief system”</p>
<p>What?  I&rsquo;m fired because I chose to believe [insert whatever] rather than doing my homework…..</p>
<p>YO….Darwin….ya missed one here….</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469560</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Watch this space for a real duck and run exercise from RM Hal!&lt;/em&gt;

Dude, wtf?  I mean, really.  You&#039;re literally calling me out, demanding an explanation from me regarding string theory?  Wow.  Advantage Mannning!

&lt;em&gt;Now all can see why the Times is going down: far too biased to the left to read.&lt;/em&gt;

Ah, so it was the failed NYT OpEd to which you were referring (although, my god, the sh*t I have to plow through to discern such a simple fact is truly mind boggling).  Okay, then. It&#039;s pretty clear that you&#039;re a blithering idiot because no where in that pile of stinky prose that McCain squeezed out over a rather disapointing encounter with his favorite curry is any semblance of a clear policy on Iraq.  Like I previously said, it&#039;s merely a litany of how Obama is wrong, wrong, wrong.  Scant substance on what McCain&#039;s policy is on Iraq other than VICTORY!

Geebus, you really haven&#039;t learned much since the last time you were spanked.

&lt;em&gt;probably as a pure diversion from the discussion.&lt;/em&gt;

My god, do you actually have *any* reading comprehension skills at all?  Stopping the meds was a *bad* idea. 

&lt;em&gt;Popper, for example, fits that bill...perfectly&lt;/em&gt;

WTF?  I mean, really.  W.  T.  F.?

Okay, I&#039;m simply arguing with a early 20th century Liza program, probably running on some steampunk nightmare contraption based on a lost Ada Lovelace design discovered in an antique auction.

Sadly, you do not pass the Turing test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Watch this space for a real duck and run exercise from RM Hal!</em></p>
<p>Dude, wtf?  I mean, really.  You're literally calling me out, demanding an explanation from me regarding string theory?  Wow.  Advantage Mannning!</p>
<p><em>Now all can see why the Times is going down: far too biased to the left to read.</em></p>
<p>Ah, so it was the failed NYT OpEd to which you were referring (although, my god, the sh*t I have to plow through to discern such a simple fact is truly mind boggling).  Okay, then. It's pretty clear that you're a blithering idiot because no where in that pile of stinky prose that McCain squeezed out over a rather disapointing encounter with his favorite curry is any semblance of a clear policy on Iraq.  Like I previously said, it's merely a litany of how Obama is wrong, wrong, wrong.  Scant substance on what McCain's policy is on Iraq other than VICTORY!</p>
<p>Geebus, you really haven't learned much since the last time you were spanked.</p>
<p><em>probably as a pure diversion from the discussion.</em></p>
<p>My god, do you actually have *any* reading comprehension skills at all?  Stopping the meds was a *bad* idea. </p>
<p><em>Popper, for example, fits that bill...perfectly</em></p>
<p>WTF?  I mean, really.  W.  T.  F.?</p>
<p>Okay, I'm simply arguing with a early 20th century Liza program, probably running on some steampunk nightmare contraption based on a lost Ada Lovelace design discovered in an antique auction.</p>
<p>Sadly, you do not pass the Turing test.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469529</link>
		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am waiting for your explanation of superstring theory, O Onanistic One. So far you have just blown smoke with your complaints that you seem not to be able to understand the math. But, a Renaissance Man should be able to come up with an intelligent explanation without having to dig deep in the math. Brian Greene has done it, along with several others. Go for it! 

Watch this space for a real duck and run exercise from RM Hal!

You got one thing right, Sir Karl Popper is not on my list of favorite &lt;em&gt;social thinkers&lt;/em&gt;, although his epistemological contributions were substantial. 

Why don&#039;t you Google the NY Post archives for McCain&#039;s Iraq article that the failing NYT had the gall to refuse on highly specious grounds. Now all can see why the Times is going down: far too biased to the left to read.

Let me see, who is it that is running on the idea of change? What an insulting idea, if you cannot clearly state the vector of change you are prescribing--perhaps because it itself is changing, yea morphing, before our very eyes.

I see that Hal is yet another that goes in for &quot;links please&quot;, probably as a pure diversion from the discussion.  Of what possible use is it to engage in a Links Battle, particularly when the root of the argument at hand lies in a belief system, not in quotes or long-winded references from people one can sneeringly discount rather readily--whether rightly or wrongly? Authorities have a way of being right some of the time, and dead wrong at other times.  Popper, for example, fits that bill...perfectly.  So would a thousand monkeys at typewriters for a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am waiting for your explanation of superstring theory, O Onanistic One. So far you have just blown smoke with your complaints that you seem not to be able to understand the math. But, a Renaissance Man should be able to come up with an intelligent explanation without having to dig deep in the math. Brian Greene has done it, along with several others. Go for it! </p>
<p>Watch this space for a real duck and run exercise from RM Hal!</p>
<p>You got one thing right, Sir Karl Popper is not on my list of favorite <em>social thinkers</em>, although his epistemological contributions were substantial. </p>
<p>Why don't you Google the NY Post archives for McCain's Iraq article that the failing NYT had the gall to refuse on highly specious grounds. Now all can see why the Times is going down: far too biased to the left to read.</p>
<p>Let me see, who is it that is running on the idea of change? What an insulting idea, if you cannot clearly state the vector of change you are prescribing--perhaps because it itself is changing, yea morphing, before our very eyes.</p>
<p>I see that Hal is yet another that goes in for "links please", probably as a pure diversion from the discussion.  Of what possible use is it to engage in a Links Battle, particularly when the root of the argument at hand lies in a belief system, not in quotes or long-winded references from people one can sneeringly discount rather readily--whether rightly or wrongly? Authorities have a way of being right some of the time, and dead wrong at other times.  Popper, for example, fits that bill...perfectly.  So would a thousand monkeys at typewriters for a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469520</link>
		<dc:creator>peterh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“THe point is a cl;ear case of cause and effect”

What?  That the chimp’s scrapping of the drilling ban caused the market to drop?  Pffftttt…..anyone who trades the market sent that to the circle file on release….it was meaningless….congress hasn’t scrapped their ban yet…and even if they do, it’s still up to the states….California says pfffttt….if Charlie still wants a job in Florida, he needs to change his tune….Jeb knew that…..the chimp’s exercise was nothing more than a photo-op for the ignorant, i.e., bit-at-the-hook….

But….beyond those little sticky facts….what may or could happen in, say, 10 years, has zero effect on the factors in play today. 

Now, for those still wanting to give the chimp some credit for the drop….well, I’ll serve it on a silver plater….it”s called “foreign policy reversal”…..for the little bits that still don’t get it….the term we use is “deflating the war premium” by talking to an adversary….

BTW….demand destruction has also been a contributing factor to the recent slide in futures prices, but the comments on inventories here were amateur………….at best….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“THe point is a cl;ear case of cause and effect”</p>
<p>What?  That the chimp&rsquo;s scrapping of the drilling ban caused the market to drop?  Pffftttt…..anyone who trades the market sent that to the circle file on release….it was meaningless….congress hasn&rsquo;t scrapped their ban yet…and even if they do, it&rsquo;s still up to the states….California says pfffttt….if Charlie still wants a job in Florida, he needs to change his tune….Jeb knew that…..the chimp&rsquo;s exercise was nothing more than a photo-op for the ignorant, i.e., bit-at-the-hook….</p>
<p>But….beyond those little sticky facts….what may or could happen in, say, 10 years, has zero effect on the factors in play today. </p>
<p>Now, for those still wanting to give the chimp some credit for the drop….well, I&rsquo;ll serve it on a silver plater….it”s called “foreign policy reversal”…..for the little bits that still don&rsquo;t get it….the term we use is “deflating the war premium” by talking to an adversary….</p>
<p>BTW….demand destruction has also been a contributing factor to the recent slide in futures prices, but the comments on inventories here were amateur………….at best….</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll just take it from your response, Dr. B, that you literally have nothing to say and are merely reduced to the humiliating rendition of common third ground playground tactics simply because you can&#039;t think of your own come backs; all you have is &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;I know you are, but what am I - &lt;strong&gt;infinity&lt;/strong&gt;!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll just take it from your response, Dr. B, that you literally have nothing to say and are merely reduced to the humiliating rendition of common third ground playground tactics simply because you can't think of your own come backs; all you have is <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4" rel="nofollow"><em>"I know you are, but what am I - <strong>infinity</strong>!"</em></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469358</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dude, the whole point is that super string theory isn&#039;t even wrong - it&#039;s a onanistic theory which isn&#039;t falsafiable and takes more math specialization than an entire gaggle of grad students, in aggregate, can muster&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting. So are your arguments in here of late, so perhaps Manning caught himself an interesting parallel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dude, the whole point is that super string theory isn't even wrong - it's a onanistic theory which isn't falsafiable and takes more math specialization than an entire gaggle of grad students, in aggregate, can muster</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting. So are your arguments in here of late, so perhaps Manning caught himself an interesting parallel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469352</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your emphasis seemed to be on the amount of the drop, not that it was a drop. Are you claiming that this was the first single day drop in oil price since 1991?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That was the report I picked up at the time, yes. That aside, there doesn&#039;t seem a bunch of question that what we had was a large moment against the trend... IE; strongly down, instead of going with the year long up trend.

You can quibble about it being a record day or not, that&#039;s not really the point. THe point is a cl;ear case of cause and effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your emphasis seemed to be on the amount of the drop, not that it was a drop. Are you claiming that this was the first single day drop in oil price since 1991?</p></blockquote>
<p>That was the report I picked up at the time, yes. That aside, there doesn't seem a bunch of question that what we had was a large moment against the trend... IE; strongly down, instead of going with the year long up trend.</p>
<p>You can quibble about it being a record day or not, that's not really the point. THe point is a cl;ear case of cause and effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_effects_precede_causes_in_iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-469279</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Let me know when he gets around to explaining superstring theory to us. &lt;/em&gt;

Dude, the whole point is that super string theory isn&#039;t even wrong - it&#039;s a onanistic theory which isn&#039;t falsafiable and takes more math specialization than an entire gaggle of grad students, in aggregate, can muster.

Now, perhaps you can see the analogy between this and McCain&#039;s pony plan and pixie dust surge.  Then again, you probably don&#039;t know your Popper, so this is all lost on you anyway.

&lt;em&gt;something of a Reanaissance[sic] Man&lt;/em&gt;

Whatever.

&lt;em&gt;McCain&#039;s paper on Iraq&lt;/em&gt;

Got a link?  I&#039;d be glad to.  Or are you referring to his rejected OpEd?  You know, the one rejected because it didn&#039;t say anything coherent about what he would actually do, rather just that his opponent Obama was wrong, wrong, wrong.

&lt;em&gt;and be damned with the consequences.&lt;/em&gt;

Really?  Can you find that quote for me?  Oh, I forgot about asking for links from you and Dr. B...  Sorry &#039;bout that.

&lt;em&gt;Parachuting in for a few hours does not make for real understanding, even if he really wanted to understand Iraq, which he obviously doesn&#039;t.&lt;/em&gt;

Hmmm...  Except for the assertion that I haven&#039;t read McCain&#039;s paper on Iraq - which is absolutely correct, I might add - I really can&#039;t find anything more than a bunch of other assertions, conjectures and strawmans in your comment.  Perhaps I&#039;m missing the actual substance?  Or were you just airing out your closet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Let me know when he gets around to explaining superstring theory to us. </em></p>
<p>Dude, the whole point is that super string theory isn't even wrong - it's a onanistic theory which isn't falsafiable and takes more math specialization than an entire gaggle of grad students, in aggregate, can muster.</p>
<p>Now, perhaps you can see the analogy between this and McCain's pony plan and pixie dust surge.  Then again, you probably don't know your Popper, so this is all lost on you anyway.</p>
<p><em>something of a Reanaissance[sic] Man</em></p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
<p><em>McCain's paper on Iraq</em></p>
<p>Got a link?  I'd be glad to.  Or are you referring to his rejected OpEd?  You know, the one rejected because it didn't say anything coherent about what he would actually do, rather just that his opponent Obama was wrong, wrong, wrong.</p>
<p><em>and be damned with the consequences.</em></p>
<p>Really?  Can you find that quote for me?  Oh, I forgot about asking for links from you and Dr. B...  Sorry 'bout that.</p>
<p><em>Parachuting in for a few hours does not make for real understanding, even if he really wanted to understand Iraq, which he obviously doesn't.</em></p>
<p>Hmmm...  Except for the assertion that I haven't read McCain's paper on Iraq - which is absolutely correct, I might add - I really can't find anything more than a bunch of other assertions, conjectures and strawmans in your comment.  Perhaps I'm missing the actual substance?  Or were you just airing out your closet?</p>
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