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	<title>Comments on: McCain Supporters Angry! Mean! Scary!</title>
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		<title>By: Thinnking Mamma</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_supporters_angry_mean/comment-page-2/#comment-518862</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinnking Mamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think shouts of Nomama or even worse pales in comparison to the vile tshirts about Palin.
Or how about this one:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_594853.html

I think all violence needs to be STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. We need to be a class act. However, if you are McCain supporter, don&#039;t go out alone.
I think it is ashame that this has gotten so weird and ugly. It is ironic that Michelle Obama said what she said about being proud of America for the first time. What in the world is she talking about. I guess it is a travesty that she and her husband got to go to Ivey League schools?
What is really a travesty is that there is no longer a free press. That bias is not discouraged in our country, but ENCOURAGED. And that people are AFRAID TO VOTE and have to fear for their lives in TODAY&#039;S WORLD. Think about THIS MICHELLE O.
No BO for me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think shouts of Nomama or even worse pales in comparison to the vile tshirts about Palin.<br />
Or how about this one:<br />
<a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_594853.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_594853.html</a></p>
<p>I think all violence needs to be STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. We need to be a class act. However, if you are McCain supporter, don't go out alone.<br />
I think it is ashame that this has gotten so weird and ugly. It is ironic that Michelle Obama said what she said about being proud of America for the first time. What in the world is she talking about. I guess it is a travesty that she and her husband got to go to Ivey League schools?<br />
What is really a travesty is that there is no longer a free press. That bias is not discouraged in our country, but ENCOURAGED. And that people are AFRAID TO VOTE and have to fear for their lives in TODAY'S WORLD. Think about THIS MICHELLE O.<br />
No BO for me...</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is he a socialist?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.

Unless by chance, he&#039;s paying for his employee&#039;s healthcare out of his pocket.

If he is not, and if he thinks healthcare is a right, why would he not be contrubiting to the spread of that right by means of his own money? Is it a right only when Other people&#039;s money is involved?
 
Spare me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is he a socialist?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Unless by chance, he's paying for his employee's healthcare out of his pocket.</p>
<p>If he is not, and if he thinks healthcare is a right, why would he not be contrubiting to the spread of that right by means of his own money? Is it a right only when Other people's money is involved?</p>
<p>Spare me.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, republican emotion isn&#039;t being whipped up by the candidates.  The media has been deliberately stoking this boiler for a long, long time by daily misrepresenting and silencing republicans while shamelessly promoting Barak Obama and other radical liberals. These rallies are nothing more than a steam whistle. We&#039;ve already seen what liberals do when they don&#039;t have a voice - we get the &quot;Fairness Doctrine,&quot; &quot;Hate Speech&quot; laws, and let&#039;s not forget - Bill Ayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, republican emotion isn't being whipped up by the candidates.  The media has been deliberately stoking this boiler for a long, long time by daily misrepresenting and silencing republicans while shamelessly promoting Barak Obama and other radical liberals. These rallies are nothing more than a steam whistle. We've already seen what liberals do when they don't have a voice - we get the "Fairness Doctrine," "Hate Speech" laws, and let's not forget - Bill Ayers.</p>
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		<title>By: MariaAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>MariaAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - I was at the rally and James T. Harris was awesome. It is the media that are angry and scared that the people are speaking up - against the media for not getting the facts out to the public about Obama! Once again, the media is twisting the story for their candidate, Obama. Can&#039;t you see the pattern of the left in their reporting of recent McCain rallies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey - I was at the rally and James T. Harris was awesome. It is the media that are angry and scared that the people are speaking up - against the media for not getting the facts out to the public about Obama! Once again, the media is twisting the story for their candidate, Obama. Can't you see the pattern of the left in their reporting of recent McCain rallies?</p>
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		<title>By: Asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, he did. The same William Ayers who was named Citizen of the Year in 1997 by the city of Chicago. I say this not to defend Ayers&#039; actions in the 60s, which are indefensible, but rather to point out that Ayers changed and became well-integrated in the political life of Chicago.&quot;

This says little for Ayers and much for the general philosophical milieu of Chicago.  In a nutshell, all you&#039;re admitting is that large swaths of politically active urban dwellers are utopian fanatics.  Have you read Ayers views on education?  Are you aware that, at least until very recently, Ayers called himself a communist and openly calls for the overthrow of some fantastical, unitary worldwide &quot;system&quot;.

My guess is that Obama&#039;s will end up being a moderately inept presidency but with no lasting impact directly caused by any of his policies.  He probably used Ayers and then cast him aside, but that remains to be seen and I could be wrong.

Ayers is no better than someone with a lifetime of involvement in the KKK.  He&#039;s the leftist version of David Duke.  The difference is that the Right universally shuns David Duke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Yes, he did. The same William Ayers who was named Citizen of the Year in 1997 by the city of Chicago. I say this not to defend Ayers' actions in the 60s, which are indefensible, but rather to point out that Ayers changed and became well-integrated in the political life of Chicago."</p>
<p>This says little for Ayers and much for the general philosophical milieu of Chicago.  In a nutshell, all you're admitting is that large swaths of politically active urban dwellers are utopian fanatics.  Have you read Ayers views on education?  Are you aware that, at least until very recently, Ayers called himself a communist and openly calls for the overthrow of some fantastical, unitary worldwide "system".</p>
<p>My guess is that Obama's will end up being a moderately inept presidency but with no lasting impact directly caused by any of his policies.  He probably used Ayers and then cast him aside, but that remains to be seen and I could be wrong.</p>
<p>Ayers is no better than someone with a lifetime of involvement in the KKK.  He's the leftist version of David Duke.  The difference is that the Right universally shuns David Duke.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>james, you disgust me. 

mccain and palin know exactly who they&#039;re talking to and exactly waht they&#039;re trying to incite: fear, hatred, divisiveness, racism. R-A-C-I-S-M.

it exists and it is beyond appalling that mccain palin are using this out of despe
ration.

we all deserve so much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james, you disgust me. </p>
<p>mccain and palin know exactly who they're talking to and exactly waht they're trying to incite: fear, hatred, divisiveness, racism. R-A-C-I-S-M.</p>
<p>it exists and it is beyond appalling that mccain palin are using this out of despe<br />
ration.</p>
<p>we all deserve so much better.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CEO of the company I work for, a self-made multi millionaire who has created jobs for hundreds of people, told me the other day that he thinks that, in a country as wealthy as ours, health care is a right. 

He also said it makes good business sense and getting everyone in the system and front-loading treatment instead of waiting till people are seriously ill and having kids in ERs when they have a cold will be cost-effective in the long run.

Is he a socialist? This is a guy who contributes more to the economy in a week then &quot;conservative&quot; ranters in here do in ten years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CEO of the company I work for, a self-made multi millionaire who has created jobs for hundreds of people, told me the other day that he thinks that, in a country as wealthy as ours, health care is a right. </p>
<p>He also said it makes good business sense and getting everyone in the system and front-loading treatment instead of waiting till people are seriously ill and having kids in ERs when they have a cold will be cost-effective in the long run.</p>
<p>Is he a socialist? This is a guy who contributes more to the economy in a week then "conservative" ranters in here do in ten years.</p>
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		<title>By: Facts, not namecalling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facts, not namecalling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that Obama is a &quot;socialist&quot; is rediculous given that most of his economic philosophy comes from the market-dominated U. of Chicago school of thought.  Yes, he supports real health care reform, but so do my Republican friends who own small businesses and have children.  Yes, he&#039;d repeal the Bush tax cuts and start to balance the budget, but that would still leave the top tax bracket no more than what it was under Clinton and similar to Bush and Reagan levels of taxation.  That is not socialism.  Socialism is the government control of business and the economy ... hmm, who seems to be pushing that now?  Mr. Bush?

What is meant by the cry, &quot;Socialism&quot;?  Someone once told me Kerry was a &quot;communist&quot; b/c Kerry didn&#039;t support the Vietnam war.  Yet Kerry also supports a market economy, therefore cannot be a communist.  So this is simple-minded name calling by ignorant people.

Looking at the crowd, one can imagine there are other names they&#039;d like to call, but are afraid to on TV ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Obama is a "socialist" is rediculous given that most of his economic philosophy comes from the market-dominated U. of Chicago school of thought.  Yes, he supports real health care reform, but so do my Republican friends who own small businesses and have children.  Yes, he'd repeal the Bush tax cuts and start to balance the budget, but that would still leave the top tax bracket no more than what it was under Clinton and similar to Bush and Reagan levels of taxation.  That is not socialism.  Socialism is the government control of business and the economy ... hmm, who seems to be pushing that now?  Mr. Bush?</p>
<p>What is meant by the cry, "Socialism"?  Someone once told me Kerry was a "communist" b/c Kerry didn't support the Vietnam war.  Yet Kerry also supports a market economy, therefore cannot be a communist.  So this is simple-minded name calling by ignorant people.</p>
<p>Looking at the crowd, one can imagine there are other names they'd like to call, but are afraid to on TV ...</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why? Because he was jewish?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bit, you attempt to paint me as an anti-Semite is pathetic, but predictable. I very much doubt that you would say that to my face.

This has nothing to do with religion. That Begin group blew up the King David Hotel is a historical fact, as it the price that British intelligence had a price on his head as a terrorist. As is the fact that he later became a highly respected world leader. 

The point is a one-time terrorist rehabilitated himself and no less than Ronald Reagan associated with him. The discussion has nothing to do with anyone&#039;s religion.

You ignorance about the events in question is hardly a surprise. As for your repeated attempts to characterize me as an anti-Semite (made from behind the safety of your computer), they show you to be what you are, a gutless punk.

Bit why don&#039;t you tell us how the Irgun hanging two British sergeants was an action taken in defense of his country? We are discussing politics and history. Perhaps you could show some respect for the Jewish faith by not making baseless charges of antisemitism to score cheap political points. Also please note that the &quot;j&quot; in &quot;Jewish&quot; should be capitalized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why? Because he was jewish?</p></blockquote>
<p>Bit, you attempt to paint me as an anti-Semite is pathetic, but predictable. I very much doubt that you would say that to my face.</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with religion. That Begin group blew up the King David Hotel is a historical fact, as it the price that British intelligence had a price on his head as a terrorist. As is the fact that he later became a highly respected world leader. </p>
<p>The point is a one-time terrorist rehabilitated himself and no less than Ronald Reagan associated with him. The discussion has nothing to do with anyone's religion.</p>
<p>You ignorance about the events in question is hardly a surprise. As for your repeated attempts to characterize me as an anti-Semite (made from behind the safety of your computer), they show you to be what you are, a gutless punk.</p>
<p>Bit why don't you tell us how the Irgun hanging two British sergeants was an action taken in defense of his country? We are discussing politics and history. Perhaps you could show some respect for the Jewish faith by not making baseless charges of antisemitism to score cheap political points. Also please note that the "j" in "Jewish" should be capitalized.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sure bit sure.  bombing the King David Hotel was an action he took as Prime Minister.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Enjoyed your comment yesterday about how Begin shouldn&#039;t have been defending his country.

Why? Because he was jewish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sure bit sure.  bombing the King David Hotel was an action he took as Prime Minister.</p></blockquote>
<p>Enjoyed your comment yesterday about how Begin shouldn't have been defending his country.</p>
<p>Why? Because he was jewish?</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, he did. The same William Ayers who was named Citizen of the Year in 1997 by the city of Chicago. I say this not to defend Ayers&#039; actions in the 60s, which are indefensible, but rather to point out that Ayers changed and became well-integrated in the political life of Chicago.&lt;/i&gt;

Except that he says he regrets not being more successful as a terrorist.  Hardly unrepentant.

Although, I am not convinced attacking the Ayers relationship is a good campaign strategy, but I think it is ridiculous to pretend like Ayers is somehow a fully changed, totally repentant man.  And given the slime that is Chicago politics, I am not sure being named Citizen of the year by them means a lot.

As for threats-

Palin had her email account hacked (keeping in mind that people were calling her daughter&#039;s cell phone number and harrassing her after emails were posted).
Palin also had a celebrity wish a gang rape on her.

Those are two off the top of my head with regard to Palin.

Here is a link where Obama supporter and Code Pink member is stopped from rushing the stage at Palin&#039;s convention speach http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/03/inside_the_convention_hall.html

I did a quick search for McCain and found this link with several internal links-I didn&#039;t read the blog comments, just looked at the links so I am not endorsing any of the bloggers comments:  http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/msm-covers-up-muslim-death-threats-against-mccain/


The reality is that there are crazy people on both sides politically, and they do and say stupid and sometimes very scary things.

McCain and Palin can and should respond threats made at rallies they hear and can respond to, but I don&#039;t think the politicians themselves should be personally responsible for the dumb things their supporters may do either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, he did. The same William Ayers who was named Citizen of the Year in 1997 by the city of Chicago. I say this not to defend Ayers' actions in the 60s, which are indefensible, but rather to point out that Ayers changed and became well-integrated in the political life of Chicago.</i></p>
<p>Except that he says he regrets not being more successful as a terrorist.  Hardly unrepentant.</p>
<p>Although, I am not convinced attacking the Ayers relationship is a good campaign strategy, but I think it is ridiculous to pretend like Ayers is somehow a fully changed, totally repentant man.  And given the slime that is Chicago politics, I am not sure being named Citizen of the year by them means a lot.</p>
<p>As for threats-</p>
<p>Palin had her email account hacked (keeping in mind that people were calling her daughter's cell phone number and harrassing her after emails were posted).<br />
Palin also had a celebrity wish a gang rape on her.</p>
<p>Those are two off the top of my head with regard to Palin.</p>
<p>Here is a link where Obama supporter and Code Pink member is stopped from rushing the stage at Palin's convention speach <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/03/inside_the_convention_hall.html" rel="nofollow">http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/03/inside_the_convention_hall.html</a></p>
<p>I did a quick search for McCain and found this link with several internal links-I didn't read the blog comments, just looked at the links so I am not endorsing any of the bloggers comments:  <a href="http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/msm-covers-up-muslim-death-threats-against-mccain/" rel="nofollow">http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/msm-covers-up-muslim-death-threats-against-mccain/</a></p>
<p>The reality is that there are crazy people on both sides politically, and they do and say stupid and sometimes very scary things.</p>
<p>McCain and Palin can and should respond threats made at rallies they hear and can respond to, but I don't think the politicians themselves should be personally responsible for the dumb things their supporters may do either.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner Offers Perspective &#124; PoliticsMuch.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner Offers Perspective &#124; PoliticsMuch.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are being filled with &#8220;hate&#8221; against Obama and that this hate could lead to violence.  James Joyner says phooey to this line of argument, and he&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are being filled with &#8220;hate&#8221; against Obama and that this hate could lead to violence.  James Joyner says phooey to this line of argument, and he&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rjjrdq</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjjrdq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tancredo&#039;s out of the race? Damn. Let&#039;s see, 50% of Democrats wanted Hillary, and no Republicans wanted Obama-that puts him at about 25% or so? Nobody wanted McCain. How did he get the nomination? Fric and Frac...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tancredo's out of the race? Damn. Let's see, 50% of Democrats wanted Hillary, and no Republicans wanted Obama-that puts him at about 25% or so? Nobody wanted McCain. How did he get the nomination? Fric and Frac...</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now McCain learns what should have been obvious to anyone: When you lead by hate, people follow the hate, &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_angry_crowds_8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not you&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now McCain learns what should have been obvious to anyone: When you lead by hate, people follow the hate, <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_angry_crowds_8" rel="nofollow">not you</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Rather the reverse, actually.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure bit sure. Enjoyed your comment yesterday about how Begin bombing the King David Hotel was an action he took as Prime Minister. Text us when you return to the solar system...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Rather the reverse, actually.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure bit sure. Enjoyed your comment yesterday about how Begin bombing the King David Hotel was an action he took as Prime Minister. Text us when you return to the solar system...</p>
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