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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_suspends_campaign_to_work_on_the_economy/comment-page-2/#comment-514971</link>
		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but you used it as justification for McCain to come to the meetings. If all Reid was asking for was McCain&#039;s position/opinion, &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually I don&#039;t think it was necessary to justify 
McCain&#039;s attendance with an invite. I used the video to respond to someone&#039;s elses assertion that Reid &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; asked McCain and Obama to stay away. That was Reid&#039;s second communication, not his only one.
&lt;blockquote&gt;It looks to me that what he chose to do was not at all constructive to the process.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Depends on whose process you mean, and what McCain&#039;s point was in becoming involved. If he intended to sink the original proposal, or to raise up the GOP proposal, then its possible he somewhat succeeded. 

As to whether his and Obama&#039;s involvement is valued added still remains to be seen. From the rest of the posts at OTB, I can&#039;t don&#039;t get a real good impression of whether the bail-out was really needed or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but you used it as justification for McCain to come to the meetings. If all Reid was asking for was McCain's position/opinion, </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually I don't think it was necessary to justify<br />
McCain's attendance with an invite. I used the video to respond to someone's elses assertion that Reid <i>only</i> asked McCain and Obama to stay away. That was Reid's second communication, not his only one.</p>
<blockquote><p>It looks to me that what he chose to do was not at all constructive to the process.</p></blockquote>
<p>Depends on whose process you mean, and what McCain's point was in becoming involved. If he intended to sink the original proposal, or to raise up the GOP proposal, then its possible he somewhat succeeded. </p>
<p>As to whether his and Obama's involvement is valued added still remains to be seen. From the rest of the posts at OTB, I can't don't get a real good impression of whether the bail-out was really needed or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_suspends_campaign_to_work_on_the_economy/comment-page-2/#comment-514958</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...and I didn&#039;t state that the video said that either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
but you used it as justification for McCain to come to the meetings.  If all Reid was asking for was McCain&#039;s position/opinion, then this video does not contradict his later request for McCain and Obama not to make a showy appearance and inject presidential politics into the negotiations.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I also said the McCain &#039;chose&#039; the right thing to do...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It looks to me that what he chose to do was not at all constructive to the process.  He did not add anything constructive to the negotiations yesterday.  He offered no support for any of the measures of either of the competing plans while giving behind the scenes support to a plan with only a core of far right support.  This does not look like the actions of a man who is both competent and trying to make sure a compromise plan is agreed to quickly (his stated goal).
It does look like is that whatever plan emerges will be unpopular even if deemed necessary and McCain appears more concerned about his campaign than his stated mission in DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>...and I didn't state that the video said that either.</p></blockquote>
<p>but you used it as justification for McCain to come to the meetings.  If all Reid was asking for was McCain's position/opinion, then this video does not contradict his later request for McCain and Obama not to make a showy appearance and inject presidential politics into the negotiations.</p>
<blockquote><p>I also said the McCain 'chose' the right thing to do...</p></blockquote>
<p>It looks to me that what he chose to do was not at all constructive to the process.  He did not add anything constructive to the negotiations yesterday.  He offered no support for any of the measures of either of the competing plans while giving behind the scenes support to a plan with only a core of far right support.  This does not look like the actions of a man who is both competent and trying to make sure a compromise plan is agreed to quickly (his stated goal).<br />
It does look like is that whatever plan emerges will be unpopular even if deemed necessary and McCain appears more concerned about his campaign than his stated mission in DC.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;not that he needs McCain to come in and try to hammer out details.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
...and I didn&#039;t state that the video said that either.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes and that something was to make his official position known. McCain would be able to effectively rally Republicans to derail a bill or to help garner enough Republican support to get a bill with at least the appearance of bipartisanship.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and he did say that he wanted the Republican leadership (which would include McCain) to support it and get the votes.

I also said the McCain &#039;chose&#039; the right thing to do, not that he was looking to take direction from Reid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>not that he needs McCain to come in and try to hammer out details.</p></blockquote>
<p>...and I didn't state that the video said that either.</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes and that something was to make his official position known. McCain would be able to effectively rally Republicans to derail a bill or to help garner enough Republican support to get a bill with at least the appearance of bipartisanship.</p></blockquote>
<p>and he did say that he wanted the Republican leadership (which would include McCain) to support it and get the votes.</p>
<p>I also said the McCain 'chose' the right thing to do, not that he was looking to take direction from Reid.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_suspends_campaign_to_work_on_the_economy/comment-page-2/#comment-514894</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney,
&lt;blockquote&gt;But, in his own way Reid did demand that McCain do something.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes and that something was to make his official position known.  McCain would be able to effectively rally Republicans to derail a bill or to help garner enough Republican support to get a bill with at least the appearance of bipartisanship.  A bill of this magnitude needs to appear bipartisan or it will not pass, so his position needs to be known (as does Obama&#039;s).

McCain adds nothing else of value to the negotiations in process.  By his own admission he knows very little about the economy.  The only productive thing he can do is cheerlead for what he thinks is the best bill* and he doesn&#039;t need to be in DC for that. The circus of presidential politics McCain and Obama inevitably bring wherever they go will not help to bring negotiations to a swifter or better resolution.  Why can&#039;t you just admit that this is political theater rather than real nuts and bolts problem solving?

 
*  I am not so certain that would be so productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney,</p>
<blockquote><p>But, in his own way Reid did demand that McCain do something.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes and that something was to make his official position known.  McCain would be able to effectively rally Republicans to derail a bill or to help garner enough Republican support to get a bill with at least the appearance of bipartisanship.  A bill of this magnitude needs to appear bipartisan or it will not pass, so his position needs to be known (as does Obama's).</p>
<p>McCain adds nothing else of value to the negotiations in process.  By his own admission he knows very little about the economy.  The only productive thing he can do is cheerlead for what he thinks is the best bill* and he doesn't need to be in DC for that. The circus of presidential politics McCain and Obama inevitably bring wherever they go will not help to bring negotiations to a swifter or better resolution.  Why can't you just admit that this is political theater rather than real nuts and bolts problem solving?</p>
<p>*  I am not so certain that would be so productive.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Grewgills it wasn&#039;t an engraved invitation, the man is an asshole after all. But, in his own way Reid did demand that McCain do something. McCain decided on doing the right thing. Reid asking for McCain to state his position and for the Republican leadership to get votes for this measure is also hardly the democrat version of &#039;Thank, but no Thanks&#039; as some of the trolls have been trying to advocate, but real leadership is not going to take its direction from Reid. Also, Reid only reversed his decision later. This only has to do with solving the financial problem and is not a political stunt, and as it shows the massive flaws in Obama, I wouldn;t expect it to stop any time soon either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Grewgills it wasn't an engraved invitation, the man is an asshole after all. But, in his own way Reid did demand that McCain do something. McCain decided on doing the right thing. Reid asking for McCain to state his position and for the Republican leadership to get votes for this measure is also hardly the democrat version of 'Thank, but no Thanks' as some of the trolls have been trying to advocate, but real leadership is not going to take its direction from Reid. Also, Reid only reversed his decision later. This only has to do with solving the financial problem and is not a political stunt, and as it shows the massive flaws in Obama, I wouldn;t expect it to stop any time soon either.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rodney,
The video you link has Reid saying that he needs McCain to communicate where he stands on the proposed bill, not that he needs McCain to come in and try to hammer out details.  McCain simply does not have the economic knowledge to effectively participate.  He can send surrogates with economic knowledge and he can cheer lead for a bill he likes, but that is about all he can effectively do and he can do that from anywhere.
This is a purely political stunt and has little or nothing to do with actually solving the financial problem.  The more you and others pretend otherwise the better it may work for your candidate so I don&#039;t expect you or any of McCain&#039;s other surrogates to stop anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rodney,<br />
The video you link has Reid saying that he needs McCain to communicate where he stands on the proposed bill, not that he needs McCain to come in and try to hammer out details.  McCain simply does not have the economic knowledge to effectively participate.  He can send surrogates with economic knowledge and he can cheer lead for a bill he likes, but that is about all he can effectively do and he can do that from anywhere.<br />
This is a purely political stunt and has little or nothing to do with actually solving the financial problem.  The more you and others pretend otherwise the better it may work for your candidate so I don't expect you or any of McCain's other surrogates to stop anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is clearly a purely political stunt.  There is not likely to be any blowback, however, because the Democrats are dumb enough to play along.  If Obama participates in the photo op today it may well cost him the election. This treasury plan is BAD and by playing along Obama loses the moral high ground on the issue, and possibly on the whole issue of the economy.  This was the Democrats election to lose, and it looks like they took that to mean that losing was the objecitve.  Net result, McCain wins for doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is clearly a purely political stunt.  There is not likely to be any blowback, however, because the Democrats are dumb enough to play along.  If Obama participates in the photo op today it may well cost him the election. This treasury plan is BAD and by playing along Obama loses the moral high ground on the issue, and possibly on the whole issue of the economy.  This was the Democrats election to lose, and it looks like they took that to mean that losing was the objecitve.  Net result, McCain wins for doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude 
Get a clue. McCain suspending his campaign means he personally won’t be out actively campaigning. It doesn’t mean all his campaign staff and organization close up shop and go home. When Obama suspend his campaign on 911 or took a break to go to Hawaii, his staff and organization still continue to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude<br />
Get a clue. McCain suspending his campaign means he personally won&rsquo;t be out actively campaigning. It doesn&rsquo;t mean all his campaign staff and organization close up shop and go home. When Obama suspend his campaign on 911 or took a break to go to Hawaii, his staff and organization still continue to work.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_suspends_campaign_to_work_on_the_economy/comment-page-2/#comment-514781</link>
		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wikio.com/video/461519&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; what Harry Reid said, before Obama&#039;s handlers got to him and made him flip flop on the need for John McCain&#039;s Leadership.
(Reid speaks at the end of the the short video)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wikio.com/video/461519" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> what Harry Reid said, before Obama's handlers got to him and made him flip flop on the need for John McCain's Leadership.<br />
(Reid speaks at the end of the the short video)</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any bet on them changing it from foreign policy and national security to the economy? My bet is they will stay with the format but will throw in a small timeframe for the bailout. 

It should be obvious that delaying the debate would allow one or both candidates to give their full attention on the bailout legislation. 

This isn’t a big deal for a candidate that doesn’t do any of the work himself but just votes how his advisors tell him and doesn’t get involved in the details. Not to mention if he is the one going around convincing others to vote for or against the bill. All of which takes time. Now for a candidate who does all those things could benefit from a delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any bet on them changing it from foreign policy and national security to the economy? My bet is they will stay with the format but will throw in a small timeframe for the bailout. </p>
<p>It should be obvious that delaying the debate would allow one or both candidates to give their full attention on the bailout legislation. </p>
<p>This isn&rsquo;t a big deal for a candidate that doesn&rsquo;t do any of the work himself but just votes how his advisors tell him and doesn&rsquo;t get involved in the details. Not to mention if he is the one going around convincing others to vote for or against the bill. All of which takes time. Now for a candidate who does all those things could benefit from a delay.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The debate Friday is supposed to be on foreign policy and national security. There is no reason why that can’t be put off for a few days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I haven&#039;t seen it on the web, but NPR this morning was reporting that the topic of the debate had been changed to the economy.  

If we don&#039;t have a bailout bill approved by then, it would be a great opportunity for the candidates to explain the available options to the American people, declare which option(s) they favor, and make their case for why it&#039;s better.  The current President already did that last night, but it&#039;s just as relevant (or more so) to know what the future President thinks about it.

Besides, what does canceling or delaying having the debate accomplish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The debate Friday is supposed to be on foreign policy and national security. There is no reason why that can&rsquo;t be put off for a few days.</p></blockquote>
<p>I haven't seen it on the web, but NPR this morning was reporting that the topic of the debate had been changed to the economy.  </p>
<p>If we don't have a bailout bill approved by then, it would be a great opportunity for the candidates to explain the available options to the American people, declare which option(s) they favor, and make their case for why it's better.  The current President already did that last night, but it's just as relevant (or more so) to know what the future President thinks about it.</p>
<p>Besides, what does canceling or delaying having the debate accomplish?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no reason why that can’t be put off for a few days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yea, and there is no reason it cannot go on as scheduled, unless you happen to be tanking in the polls and in need of a good photo op.

We are pretty close to a deal this morning. Let the guys who are actually doing to work finish it up and leave political grandstanding out of a volatile situation...

(let us remember that McCain had planned to use a devastated New Orleans as a backdrop for his acceptance speech, but there was not enough destruction to make for good political theater and he had to change his plans)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is no reason why that can&rsquo;t be put off for a few days.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yea, and there is no reason it cannot go on as scheduled, unless you happen to be tanking in the polls and in need of a good photo op.</p>
<p>We are pretty close to a deal this morning. Let the guys who are actually doing to work finish it up and leave political grandstanding out of a volatile situation...</p>
<p>(let us remember that McCain had planned to use a devastated New Orleans as a backdrop for his acceptance speech, but there was not enough destruction to make for good political theater and he had to change his plans)</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anjin
The debate Friday is supposed to be on foreign policy and national security.  There is no reason why that can’t be put off for a few days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anjin<br />
The debate Friday is supposed to be on foreign policy and national security.  There is no reason why that can&rsquo;t be put off for a few days.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam
“If Letterman didn&#039;t know about the suspension, then the guy&#039;s a freaking psychic”

The Late Show with David Letterman is tape at 4:30 p.m.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Show_with_David_Letterman
It was all over the news and on the Drudge report long before then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam<br />
“If Letterman didn't know about the suspension, then the guy's a freaking psychic”</p>
<p>The Late Show with David Letterman is tape at 4:30 p.m.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Show_with_David_Letterman" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Show_with_David_Letterman</a><br />
It was all over the news and on the Drudge report long before then.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe that&#039;s why Reid called on McCain to return to be part of the process and not Obama.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm, that must have happened in some alternate universe...

Actually, &lt;strong&gt;this is what Reid said&lt;/strong&gt; (boils down to &quot;Thanks John, but no thanks&quot;):

This is a critical time for our country. While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the Administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis.

I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Senator Obama’s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op.

If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe that's why Reid called on McCain to return to be part of the process and not Obama.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, that must have happened in some alternate universe...</p>
<p>Actually, <strong>this is what Reid said</strong> (boils down to "Thanks John, but no thanks"):</p>
<p>This is a critical time for our country. While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the Administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis.</p>
<p>I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Senator Obama&rsquo;s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation&rsquo;s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op.</p>
<p>If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.</p>
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