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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_to_pick_vp_this_week_romney_or_jindal/comment-page-2/#comment-472017</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beldar,
I&#039;ll leave the ad hominem aside, but please refrain in the future.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Not a single line in the essay so much as hints that Jindal knew there was going to be an attempted lay exorcism attempt before he went&lt;/blockquote&gt;
True, but immaterial.
&lt;blockquote&gt;nor that he intended to participate&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Here we disagree.  He clearly believed that there was a demon and that an exorcism was taking place.  After some initial discomfort he moved in to give support and participate before he was rebuffed by his friend.  
The following passage clearly shows that he felt he was in spiritual warfare with a demon and found it too difficult and so temporarily gave up, moved apart, and focused on himself.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Though I could find no cause for my chest pains, &lt;strong&gt;I was very scared of what was happening to me and Susan. I began to think that the demon would only attack me if I tried to pray or fight back&lt;/strong&gt;; thus, I resigned myself to leav­ing it alone in an attempt to find peace for myself.

&lt;strong&gt;I gave up all attempts at prayer and admitted conditional defeat.&lt;/strong&gt; The effort succeeded and I felt relief immediately. There were no more mysterious forces and I was able to watch the proceedings with the security of an outsider, beyond the immediate reality of the frenzied action I was witnessing. It may have been I was trying too hard to pray and be there for Susan; however, the sense of fear and dread felt like more than mere anxiety at the time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He clearly said that he felt a demon was attacking him when he attempted to pray for Susan and that he found it too difficult to continue and so gave up and focused on himself.  If he did not feel that he was participating in the exorcism why then did he feel that the demon was attacking him when he prayed?

after some more activity by the other students,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Surely Crusade&#039;s experienced leader would be able to rescue us and reaffirm our faith in Christ, the Bible, and everything good. Even I felt confident enough to approach God once again; Susan&#039;s lunge for the door awakened and invigorated me. Strangely, I found myself repeating the Hail Mary until it became a chant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is either participation in the exorcism or prayer for himself.  It seems more likely to me that he was attempting to participate here.

When he says,
&lt;blockquote&gt;It appeared as if we were observing a tremendous battle between the Susan we knew and loved and some strange evil force. &lt;strong&gt;But the momentum had shifted and we now sensed that victory was at hand.&lt;/strong&gt;

While Alice and Louise held Susan, her sister continued holding the Bible to her face. Almost taunting &lt;strong&gt;the evil spirit that had almost beaten us minutes before&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
it indicates that he felt that he was part of the exorcism.  If he did not feel a part of it surely he would have said them rather than the inclusive we and us.

After going back through the article I am more convinced that he felt he participated in the exorcism.

I also find it more than a little odd that he was not comfortable having real conversion or physical contact with the person that he considered his best friend.

All of this is really unimportant since Jindal has clearly stated that he will not be on the ticket with McCain and I don&#039;t plan on living in Louisiana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beldar,<br />
I'll leave the ad hominem aside, but please refrain in the future.</p>
<blockquote><p>Not a single line in the essay so much as hints that Jindal knew there was going to be an attempted lay exorcism attempt before he went</p></blockquote>
<p>True, but immaterial.</p>
<blockquote><p>nor that he intended to participate</p></blockquote>
<p>Here we disagree.  He clearly believed that there was a demon and that an exorcism was taking place.  After some initial discomfort he moved in to give support and participate before he was rebuffed by his friend.<br />
The following passage clearly shows that he felt he was in spiritual warfare with a demon and found it too difficult and so temporarily gave up, moved apart, and focused on himself.</p>
<blockquote><p>Though I could find no cause for my chest pains, <strong>I was very scared of what was happening to me and Susan. I began to think that the demon would only attack me if I tried to pray or fight back</strong>; thus, I resigned myself to leav­ing it alone in an attempt to find peace for myself.</p>
<p><strong>I gave up all attempts at prayer and admitted conditional defeat.</strong> The effort succeeded and I felt relief immediately. There were no more mysterious forces and I was able to watch the proceedings with the security of an outsider, beyond the immediate reality of the frenzied action I was witnessing. It may have been I was trying too hard to pray and be there for Susan; however, the sense of fear and dread felt like more than mere anxiety at the time.</p></blockquote>
<p>He clearly said that he felt a demon was attacking him when he attempted to pray for Susan and that he found it too difficult to continue and so gave up and focused on himself.  If he did not feel that he was participating in the exorcism why then did he feel that the demon was attacking him when he prayed?</p>
<p>after some more activity by the other students,</p>
<blockquote><p>Surely Crusade's experienced leader would be able to rescue us and reaffirm our faith in Christ, the Bible, and everything good. Even I felt confident enough to approach God once again; Susan's lunge for the door awakened and invigorated me. Strangely, I found myself repeating the Hail Mary until it became a chant.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is either participation in the exorcism or prayer for himself.  It seems more likely to me that he was attempting to participate here.</p>
<p>When he says,</p>
<blockquote><p>It appeared as if we were observing a tremendous battle between the Susan we knew and loved and some strange evil force. <strong>But the momentum had shifted and we now sensed that victory was at hand.</strong></p>
<p>While Alice and Louise held Susan, her sister continued holding the Bible to her face. Almost taunting <strong>the evil spirit that had almost beaten us minutes before</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>it indicates that he felt that he was part of the exorcism.  If he did not feel a part of it surely he would have said them rather than the inclusive we and us.</p>
<p>After going back through the article I am more convinced that he felt he participated in the exorcism.</p>
<p>I also find it more than a little odd that he was not comfortable having real conversion or physical contact with the person that he considered his best friend.</p>
<p>All of this is really unimportant since Jindal has clearly stated that he will not be on the ticket with McCain and I don't plan on living in Louisiana.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beldar, you need to have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; playing when you lay down dramatic bets on the &#039;tubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beldar, you need to have <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40" rel="nofollow">this</a> playing when you lay down dramatic bets on the 'tubes.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grewgills, I doubt anyone&#039;s still following these comments, but if they are, let me say:

Your reading comprehension skills suck, or you&#039;re just a bald-faced liar. I suspect the latter. 

Not a single line in the essay so much as hints that Jindal knew there was going to be an attempted lay exorcism attempt before he went, nor that he intended to participate. Characterizing him as lacking compassion for his friend at any point is also completely inconsistent with the text.  There&#039;s enough in the blockquotes I&#039;ve previously provided to refute your claims, but if you&#039;d care to make a wager as to how any fair-minded impartial reader would evaluate them, I&#039;d be glad to put up $1000 and let Dr. Joyner be the stakeholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grewgills, I doubt anyone's still following these comments, but if they are, let me say:</p>
<p>Your reading comprehension skills suck, or you're just a bald-faced liar. I suspect the latter. </p>
<p>Not a single line in the essay so much as hints that Jindal knew there was going to be an attempted lay exorcism attempt before he went, nor that he intended to participate. Characterizing him as lacking compassion for his friend at any point is also completely inconsistent with the text.  There's enough in the blockquotes I've previously provided to refute your claims, but if you'd care to make a wager as to how any fair-minded impartial reader would evaluate them, I'd be glad to put up $1000 and let Dr. Joyner be the stakeholder.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romney, eh? Strap the family pet to the roof of the lobbyist express bus and off we go!

It does have vast comedic potential...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romney, eh? Strap the family pet to the roof of the lobbyist express bus and off we go!</p>
<p>It does have vast comedic potential...</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the full article it seems that Jindal believes he witnessed an actual exorcism and that he intended to participate until he was scared away by her saying &quot;Bobby, you cannot even love Susan.&quot;  This apparently struck home to the insecure and withdrawn Jindal and he retreated and prayed for himself rather than try to help his friend.  I don&#039;t know if that is better or worse than actively trying to exorcise a demon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the full article it seems that Jindal believes he witnessed an actual exorcism and that he intended to participate until he was scared away by her saying "Bobby, you cannot even love Susan."  This apparently struck home to the insecure and withdrawn Jindal and he retreated and prayed for himself rather than try to help his friend.  I don't know if that is better or worse than actively trying to exorcise a demon.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me, too, what, Bithead?  I&#039;m a fan of Gov. Jindal; he&#039;s my second choice, behind Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, as a potential Veep choice. Romney is probably my third choice, and I tend to agree that he&#039;s the most likely at the moment. But I won&#039;t be a bit surprised if McCain defies everyone&#039;s advice and expectations and picks someone like Lindsey Graham.  Were you asking about that, or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me, too, what, Bithead?  I'm a fan of Gov. Jindal; he's my second choice, behind Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, as a potential Veep choice. Romney is probably my third choice, and I tend to agree that he's the most likely at the moment. But I won't be a bit surprised if McCain defies everyone's advice and expectations and picks someone like Lindsey Graham.  Were you asking about that, or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Supriya Jindal is Bobby Jindal&#8217;s Wife &#187; Right Pundits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supriya Jindal is Bobby Jindal&#8217;s Wife &#187; Right Pundits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his Vice-Presidential candidate this week. Speculation as to who that pick might be is focused on Romney or Jindal. Right now, all eyes are on Bobby Jindal as McCain will be in New Orleans on Wednesday to meet with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his Vice-Presidential candidate this week. Speculation as to who that pick might be is focused on Romney or Jindal. Right now, all eyes are on Bobby Jindal as McCain will be in New Orleans on Wednesday to meet with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Beldar... You too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Beldar... You too?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, here it is, Gang.
I like Jindal, but Romney is the safe play. We&#039;re in a tight race, near on 50/50 as no matter.  Jindal at this point is the type of player you bring in when you&#039;re way behind, and need to take chances. McCain isn&#039;t way behind.  He&#039;ll go with Romney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here it is, Gang.<br />
I like Jindal, but Romney is the safe play. We're in a tight race, near on 50/50 as no matter.  Jindal at this point is the type of player you bring in when you're way behind, and need to take chances. McCain isn't way behind.  He'll go with Romney.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time the subject of faith is breached on this forum, it is accompanied by a cacophony of &quot;whistlers passing grave yards!&quot;[lol]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time the subject of faith is breached on this forum, it is accompanied by a cacophony of "whistlers passing grave yards!"[lol]</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I would be happy if he&#039;d just exorcise Hal.&lt;/em&gt;

Sorry.  7 years in a private, non-denominational Christian school couldn&#039;t do the trick.  I doubt Jindal would stand a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I would be happy if he'd just exorcise Hal.</em></p>
<p>Sorry.  7 years in a private, non-denominational Christian school couldn't do the trick.  I doubt Jindal would stand a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If Jindal were to be elected, maybe he could perform an exorcism on all the Dems in congress.&lt;/blockquote&gt;At this point, I would be happy if he&#039;d just exorcise Hal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If Jindal were to be elected, maybe he could perform an exorcism on all the Dems in congress.</p></blockquote>
<p>At this point, I would be happy if he'd just exorcise Hal.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is Jindal really dating Linda Blair?&quot;


anjin-san....That is too funny! If Jindal were to be elected, maybe he could perform an exorcism on all the Dems in congress. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Is Jindal really dating Linda Blair?"</p>
<p>anjin-san....That is too funny! If Jindal were to be elected, maybe he could perform an exorcism on all the Dems in congress. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Shelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romney rocks and we need him so much to help with our tanking economy! McCain/Romney UNBEATABLE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romney rocks and we need him so much to help with our tanking economy! McCain/Romney UNBEATABLE!</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching Bobby Jindal debate whomever will be entertaining, educational, and utterly superfluous to the final result.  Senator Obama, please pick John Edwards.  Oh please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching Bobby Jindal debate whomever will be entertaining, educational, and utterly superfluous to the final result.  Senator Obama, please pick John Edwards.  Oh please.</p>
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