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		<title>By: Election Omnibus Post : Left Flank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Election Omnibus Post : Left Flank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Again, if we line up a candidate with the entire armed services behind him, is he really more presidential? James Joyner reports: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, OK, you know, your right, and I&#039;m sorry for what I was about to say to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, OK, you know, your right, and I'm sorry for what I was about to say to them.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, he is a candid guy. Just ask him how safe it is to stroll the streets of Baghdad.

McCain is in freefall. It is instructive, because it shows what the American public thinks about Bush&#039;s war...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, he is a candid guy. Just ask him how safe it is to stroll the streets of Baghdad.</p>
<p>McCain is in freefall. It is instructive, because it shows what the American public thinks about Bush's war...</p>
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		<title>By: McCain Weblogger Conference Call &#187; The American Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCain Weblogger Conference Call &#187; The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner felt the same McCainian vibe the MSM dug on his Straight Talk Express in 2000.    Save and Share: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: McCain Backs War Effort &#171; A Voice of Reason: Sane Views for a Crazy World</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccain_vmi_speech_on_iraq_war/comment-page-1/#comment-119743</link>
		<dc:creator>McCain Backs War Effort &#171; A Voice of Reason: Sane Views for a Crazy World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seth Joyner at Outside the Beltway said while there was very little new ground covered in the conference, “what strikes me is that McCain is, at least in these fora, quite candid and resigned to the realities of the situation. He’s under no illusion that turning around the public skepticism about the war is going to be easy and he thinks part of the problem is that the administration has oversold successes and undersold the problems for so long.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Seth Joyner at Outside the Beltway said while there was very little new ground covered in the conference, “what strikes me is that McCain is, at least in these fora, quite candid and resigned to the realities of the situation. He&rsquo;s under no illusion that turning around the public skepticism about the war is going to be easy and he thinks part of the problem is that the administration has oversold successes and undersold the problems for so long.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eliakim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliakim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we have learned the complexity of the struggle against radical Islamic ideology&quot;

Did they really? If they really did, they wouldn&#039;t let Bush send 15,000 more troops to Iraq while people in Iraq is shouting that they want American get out of there. What makes them feel so right to push their own values to others? I don&#039;t see any vision for &quot;winning the war in Iraq&quot; in his speech.
I still can&#039;t believe that they&#039;ve already spent $340 billion on Iraq War thus far and $522 billion on US military budget. It is clear that the military solution is not working. why don&#039;t they try to bring peace by sending humanitarian aid instead of troops and weapons?
According to The Borgen Project, it only costs $19 billion to end global poverty and hunger. Compare to the amount Bush spent on &quot;the war on terror&quot;, this is very little. I hope our next political leader will make a commitment to the UN Millennium Development Goals which will end global poverty and starvation. It is not so hard if we are willing to take an action!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"we have learned the complexity of the struggle against radical Islamic ideology"</p>
<p>Did they really? If they really did, they wouldn't let Bush send 15,000 more troops to Iraq while people in Iraq is shouting that they want American get out of there. What makes them feel so right to push their own values to others? I don't see any vision for "winning the war in Iraq" in his speech.<br />
I still can't believe that they've already spent $340 billion on Iraq War thus far and $522 billion on US military budget. It is clear that the military solution is not working. why don't they try to bring peace by sending humanitarian aid instead of troops and weapons?<br />
According to The Borgen Project, it only costs $19 billion to end global poverty and hunger. Compare to the amount Bush spent on "the war on terror", this is very little. I hope our next political leader will make a commitment to the UN Millennium Development Goals which will end global poverty and starvation. It is not so hard if we are willing to take an action!</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;McCain Speech on Iraq:  President Needs Better PR...&lt;/strong&gt;

I may have more to say later about Arizona Senator John McCain&#8217;s speech today at the Virginia Military Institute (VMI) on the Iraq war.
I think he got the big points right.  In a blogger conference call after the speech, James Joyner (via Instapu...</description>
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<p>I may have more to say later about Arizona Senator John McCain&#8217;s speech today at the Virginia Military Institute (VMI) on the Iraq war.<br />
I think he got the big points right.  In a blogger conference call after the speech, James Joyner (via Instapu...</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone ask him in the conference call, James, why he claimed in his speech that the Iraqi people are our enemy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone ask him in the conference call, James, why he claimed in his speech that the Iraqi people are our enemy?</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The war on terror, the war for the future of the Middle East, and the struggle for the soul of Islam - of which the war in Iraq constitutes a key element - are bound together. &quot;

This is utter and complete nonsense.
Does he offer no respite whatsoever from the absurd Bush framing of &quot;war on terror&quot;? Its been said a million times, and I sense most everyone understands it - terror is a tactic, one used by the weaker force in an asymmetic conflict, and sometimes by the stronger as well (the US, in Germany and Japan). Wars are driven by conflicts of interests and desires for power, and a refusal to deal with those issues, by claiming to fight against tactics, is deeply dishonest.

And we are in Iraq to fight for the soul of Islam? Excuse me? How can anyone take this seriously? The soul of Islam is not a concern of the government of the United States of America. What various Islamic people do, in the real world may well be of concern to us, but a struggle for the soul of a religion is a business of the adherents of that religion, not for the United States military.

Aside from his positions on the specific issues of the war today - surging or withdrawing, this attempt at framing the issue is so divorced from reality that he should not be considered a serious player on a presidential level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The war on terror, the war for the future of the Middle East, and the struggle for the soul of Islam - of which the war in Iraq constitutes a key element - are bound together. "</p>
<p>This is utter and complete nonsense.<br />
Does he offer no respite whatsoever from the absurd Bush framing of "war on terror"? Its been said a million times, and I sense most everyone understands it - terror is a tactic, one used by the weaker force in an asymmetic conflict, and sometimes by the stronger as well (the US, in Germany and Japan). Wars are driven by conflicts of interests and desires for power, and a refusal to deal with those issues, by claiming to fight against tactics, is deeply dishonest.</p>
<p>And we are in Iraq to fight for the soul of Islam? Excuse me? How can anyone take this seriously? The soul of Islam is not a concern of the government of the United States of America. What various Islamic people do, in the real world may well be of concern to us, but a struggle for the soul of a religion is a business of the adherents of that religion, not for the United States military.</p>
<p>Aside from his positions on the specific issues of the war today - surging or withdrawing, this attempt at framing the issue is so divorced from reality that he should not be considered a serious player on a presidential level.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter McCain:  &quot;I have no real clue how to salvage Iraq, but it&#039;s vital that Americans continue to die there.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter McCain:  "I have no real clue how to salvage Iraq, but it's vital that Americans continue to die there."</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The realities of the situation? You mean like his reality based statements about going for a stroll in Baghdad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The realities of the situation? You mean like his reality based statements about going for a stroll in Baghdad?</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But he did and he has. Repeatedly.&lt;/em&gt;

Huh. I admit I haven&#039;t followed McCain more than shallowly - I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve sat &amp; listened to an entire speech of his, let alone parsed it. But the impression I&#039;d gotten from MSM (including Fox) coverage of him, at least for the last few years, has been of rather fawning obsequiousness. (there&#039;s your SAT word for the day!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But he did and he has. Repeatedly.</em></p>
<p>Huh. I admit I haven't followed McCain more than shallowly - I don't think I've sat &amp; listened to an entire speech of his, let alone parsed it. But the impression I'd gotten from MSM (including Fox) coverage of him, at least for the last few years, has been of rather fawning obsequiousness. (there's your SAT word for the day!)</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;We must gain the &lt;strong&gt;active support of modernizers across the Muslim world&lt;/strong&gt;, who want to share in the benefits of the global system and its economic success, and who aspire to the political freedom that is, I truly believe, the natural desire of the human heart.&lt;/em&gt;

And is this goal advanced, or retarded, by continuing to occupy Iraq, &lt;i&gt;four years&lt;/i&gt; after we invaded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>We must gain the <strong>active support of modernizers across the Muslim world</strong>, who want to share in the benefits of the global system and its economic success, and who aspire to the political freedom that is, I truly believe, the natural desire of the human heart.</em></p>
<p>And is this goal advanced, or retarded, by continuing to occupy Iraq, <i>four years</i> after we invaded?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;he&#039;d eventually have to criticise Bush for his continual mishandling of every single opportunity to actually accomplish anything in the GWOT. And McCain will never, ever do that&lt;/em&gt;

But he did and he has.  Repeatedly.  He did it again in the VMI speech and in the conference call.  From the text of the speech:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We have a long way to go, but for the first time in four years, we have a strategy that deals with how things really are in Iraq and not how we wish them to be.

After my first visit to Iraq in 2003, I argued for more troops. I took issue with statements characterizing the insurgency as a few &#039;dead-enders&#039; or being in its &#039;last throes.&#039; I criticized the search and destroy strategy and argued for a counter-insurgency approach that separated the reconcilable population from the irreconcilable. That is the course now followed by General Petraeus, and the brave Americans and coalition troops he has the honor to command.

It is the right strategy. General Petraeus literally wrote the book on counter insurgency. He is a determined, resourceful and bold commander. Our troops, many of whom have served multiple tours in Iraq, are performing with great skill and bravery. But the hour is late and, despite the developments I just described, we should have no illusion that success is certain. But having been a critic of the way this war was fought and a proponent of the very strategy now being followed, it is my obligation to encourage Americans to give it a chance to succeed. To do otherwise would be contrary to the interests of my country and dishonorable. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>he'd eventually have to criticise Bush for his continual mishandling of every single opportunity to actually accomplish anything in the GWOT. And McCain will never, ever do that</em></p>
<p>But he did and he has.  Repeatedly.  He did it again in the VMI speech and in the conference call.  From the text of the speech:</p>
<blockquote><p>We have a long way to go, but for the first time in four years, we have a strategy that deals with how things really are in Iraq and not how we wish them to be.</p>
<p>After my first visit to Iraq in 2003, I argued for more troops. I took issue with statements characterizing the insurgency as a few 'dead-enders' or being in its 'last throes.' I criticized the search and destroy strategy and argued for a counter-insurgency approach that separated the reconcilable population from the irreconcilable. That is the course now followed by General Petraeus, and the brave Americans and coalition troops he has the honor to command.</p>
<p>It is the right strategy. General Petraeus literally wrote the book on counter insurgency. He is a determined, resourceful and bold commander. Our troops, many of whom have served multiple tours in Iraq, are performing with great skill and bravery. But the hour is late and, despite the developments I just described, we should have no illusion that success is certain. But having been a critic of the way this war was fought and a proponent of the very strategy now being followed, it is my obligation to encourage Americans to give it a chance to succeed. To do otherwise would be contrary to the interests of my country and dishonorable. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I dont hear McCain dealing at all with the reality in Iraq&lt;/em&gt; 

Of course not, Tano. And for the same reason Lieberman seems so completely off-planet when he discusses Iraq. If he came anywhere near reality, he&#039;d eventually have to criticise Bush for his continual mishandling of every single opportunity to actually accomplish anything in the GWOT. And McCain will never, ever do that - even after getting knifed by the Bush/Cheney/Rove campaign last cycle, he just can&#039;t let go of the teat long enough to have a spine anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I dont hear McCain dealing at all with the reality in Iraq</em> </p>
<p>Of course not, Tano. And for the same reason Lieberman seems so completely off-planet when he discusses Iraq. If he came anywhere near reality, he'd eventually have to criticise Bush for his continual mishandling of every single opportunity to actually accomplish anything in the GWOT. And McCain will never, ever do that - even after getting knifed by the Bush/Cheney/Rove campaign last cycle, he just can't let go of the teat long enough to have a spine anymore.</p>
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