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		<title>By: John McCains 100 Years in Iraq</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCains 100 Years in Iraq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The boys over at RBA do quite a nice job of outlining &lt;a href=&quot;http://redblueamerica.com/truthornot/2008-04-10/did-john-mccain-really-call-a-100-year-war-iraq-2498&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What McCain really said about 100 years in Iraq&lt;/a&gt;.  The Dems are just trying to take a soundbite to try and sink McCain.  What they don&#039;t realize is that the American public is smarter than that, and isn&#039;t going to back these flip-flopping, cut-and-run, democrats when it comes to national security and foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The boys over at RBA do quite a nice job of outlining <a href="http://redblueamerica.com/truthornot/2008-04-10/did-john-mccain-really-call-a-100-year-war-iraq-2498" rel="nofollow">What McCain really said about 100 years in Iraq</a>.  The Dems are just trying to take a soundbite to try and sink McCain.  What they don't realize is that the American public is smarter than that, and isn't going to back these flip-flopping, cut-and-run, democrats when it comes to national security and foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccains_100_years_war/comment-page-1/#comment-319474</link>
		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Anjin-san. Even the usually-laughable &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/100_years_war.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe Kline&lt;/a&gt; can see somthing so obvious:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem with John McCain’s 100 years in Iraq formulation isn’t that he’s calling for 95 more years of combat — he isn’t — but that he thinks you can have a long-term basing arrangement in Iraq similar to those we have in Germany or Korea. That betrays a fairly acute lack of knowledge about both Iraq and Islam. It may well be possible to station U.S. troops in small, peripheral kingdoms like Dubai or Kuwait, but Iraq is — and has always been — volatile, tenuous, centrally-located and nearly as sensitive to the presence of infidels as Saudi Arabia. It is a terrible candidate for a long-term basing agreement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Anjin-san. Even the usually-laughable <a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/100_years_war.html" rel="nofollow">Joe Kline</a> can see somthing so obvious:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem with John McCain&rsquo;s 100 years in Iraq formulation isn&rsquo;t that he&rsquo;s calling for 95 more years of combat — he isn&rsquo;t — but that he thinks you can have a long-term basing arrangement in Iraq similar to those we have in Germany or Korea. That betrays a fairly acute lack of knowledge about both Iraq and Islam. It may well be possible to station U.S. troops in small, peripheral kingdoms like Dubai or Kuwait, but Iraq is — and has always been — volatile, tenuous, centrally-located and nearly as sensitive to the presence of infidels as Saudi Arabia. It is a terrible candidate for a long-term basing agreement.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mccains_100_years_war/comment-page-1/#comment-319418</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The German/Japan/Korea comparisons are obvious nonsense.

We bombed German &amp; Japan until their cultures became
malleable. We nuked Japan twice. They were both willing to do anything, anything at all to make the   bombing stop, including change.

Are we going to saturation bomb civilians in Iraq until they become a little more open to change?

South Korea had a large hostile force on it&#039;s norther border that had show it had the means and the will to conquer South Korea. They knew only our military presence was keeping them from conversion into a worker&#039;s paradise.

Is McCain ignorant of history, or is he just distorting it for political gain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The German/Japan/Korea comparisons are obvious nonsense.</p>
<p>We bombed German &amp; Japan until their cultures became<br />
malleable. We nuked Japan twice. They were both willing to do anything, anything at all to make the   bombing stop, including change.</p>
<p>Are we going to saturation bomb civilians in Iraq until they become a little more open to change?</p>
<p>South Korea had a large hostile force on it's norther border that had show it had the means and the will to conquer South Korea. They knew only our military presence was keeping them from conversion into a worker's paradise.</p>
<p>Is McCain ignorant of history, or is he just distorting it for political gain?</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott_T,
I&#039;ve no doubt there were Nazis &amp; sympathizers in Germany &amp; various other places after WWII, just as there were numerous Emperor-supporting die-hards in Japan. But they were vast minorities, didn&#039;t disrupt  the newly-formed governments, had no control or influence over legitimate democratic processes, and basically were never a viable threat.

Because we had planned our occupations out before we went in. This was demonstrably not done for Iraq.

Now, 5 years in, our leaders still do not appear to have any deeper thoughts on the matter than &quot;Find someone who says what we like to hear and put him in power... democratic processes? What are those? Get me Chalabi!&quot;

And McCain has clearly demonstrated that he has no interest in fixing what he doesn&#039;t consider to be a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott_T,<br />
I've no doubt there were Nazis &amp; sympathizers in Germany &amp; various other places after WWII, just as there were numerous Emperor-supporting die-hards in Japan. But they were vast minorities, didn't disrupt  the newly-formed governments, had no control or influence over legitimate democratic processes, and basically were never a viable threat.</p>
<p>Because we had planned our occupations out before we went in. This was demonstrably not done for Iraq.</p>
<p>Now, 5 years in, our leaders still do not appear to have any deeper thoughts on the matter than "Find someone who says what we like to hear and put him in power... democratic processes? What are those? Get me Chalabi!"</p>
<p>And McCain has clearly demonstrated that he has no interest in fixing what he doesn't consider to be a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Allow me to clarify, this is no mistake, it is an intentional Democrat Party Lie.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah for crissakes, lighten up, Floyd. Before this is all over, there will plenty of &quot;lies&quot; all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Allow me to clarify, this is no mistake, it is an intentional Democrat Party Lie.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah for crissakes, lighten up, Floyd. Before this is all over, there will plenty of "lies" all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legion, per wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Internee#Internment_of_German_Civilians_by_Allies_in_Occupied_Germany_after_WWII

&lt;blockquote&gt;Even before 1945 SHAEF had long ago worked out automatic arrest categories ranging from the top Nazi Party leadership to the local Ortsgruppenleiter, from the top Gestapo agents to leaders of the Hitler Youth, the Peasants&#039; League, and the Labor Front. In May and June of 1945 about 700 civilians a day were arrested, and a total of over 18,000 in August. In September 1945, 82,000 suspects were being held in internment camps, available for possible trial and sentencing as members of criminal organizations. [1]

Well over 100,000 Germans were incarcerated by December 1945, according to Harold Marcuse. Members of the SS and functionaries of the Nazi party and its affiliated organizations who were covered by the category of &quot;automatic arrest&quot; were interned by the US occupation authorities in former Dachau concentration camp. The first of these prisoners were released at the beginning of 1946.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Their was German/Nazi partisans after WW2, but for the life of me, I can&#039;t remember the name of the group right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legion, per wikipedia:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Internee#Internment_of_German_Civilians_by_Allies_in_Occupied_Germany_after_WWII" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Internee#Internment_of_German_Civilians_by_Allies_in_Occupied_Germany_after_WWII</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Even before 1945 SHAEF had long ago worked out automatic arrest categories ranging from the top Nazi Party leadership to the local Ortsgruppenleiter, from the top Gestapo agents to leaders of the Hitler Youth, the Peasants' League, and the Labor Front. In May and June of 1945 about 700 civilians a day were arrested, and a total of over 18,000 in August. In September 1945, 82,000 suspects were being held in internment camps, available for possible trial and sentencing as members of criminal organizations. [1]</p>
<p>Well over 100,000 Germans were incarcerated by December 1945, according to Harold Marcuse. Members of the SS and functionaries of the Nazi party and its affiliated organizations who were covered by the category of "automatic arrest" were interned by the US occupation authorities in former Dachau concentration camp. The first of these prisoners were released at the beginning of 1946.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Their was German/Nazi partisans after WW2, but for the life of me, I can't remember the name of the group right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legion, I am glad you speak for McCain when you say he has no idea what to do with Iraq.  But then you on the left really do have trouble when truth is valued.  Would it be a lie to say that if Obama were to ride in a convertable, facing forward the vehicle would lose 5 mph due to his ears catching wind.  Your candidate is a race baiting whitey hater.  Go read his book, Dreams of my Father.  I the world would have read Mein Kampf, Hilter might have been prevented from doing what he did.  before you make stupid comments just read the f--king book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legion, I am glad you speak for McCain when you say he has no idea what to do with Iraq.  But then you on the left really do have trouble when truth is valued.  Would it be a lie to say that if Obama were to ride in a convertable, facing forward the vehicle would lose 5 mph due to his ears catching wind.  Your candidate is a race baiting whitey hater.  Go read his book, Dreams of my Father.  I the world would have read Mein Kampf, Hilter might have been prevented from doing what he did.  before you make stupid comments just read the f--king book.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bull Puckey. McCain himself specifically draws comparisons between the post-WWII occupations of Germany &amp; Japan and the post-&quot;mission accomplished&quot; occupation of Iraq. Let&#039;s look...

How many US troops were killed by insurgent action in Germany &amp; Japan in 1950? Were active combat operations going on in either country? How about civil wars directly caused by the incompetent and poorly-thought out imposition of a puppet government?

McCain, as noted, does say &quot;...as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.&quot; But the fact is they are being killed. And McCain has no idea what to do about it. Make no mistake - his plan for Iraq is exactly the same as Bush&#039;s: no plan at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull Puckey. McCain himself specifically draws comparisons between the post-WWII occupations of Germany &amp; Japan and the post-"mission accomplished" occupation of Iraq. Let's look...</p>
<p>How many US troops were killed by insurgent action in Germany &amp; Japan in 1950? Were active combat operations going on in either country? How about civil wars directly caused by the incompetent and poorly-thought out imposition of a puppet government?</p>
<p>McCain, as noted, does say "...as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed." But the fact is they are being killed. And McCain has no idea what to do about it. Make no mistake - his plan for Iraq is exactly the same as Bush's: no plan at all.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;hundred years of war&quot; is misleading, but if he doesn&#039;t have a realistic way to turn the war into a &quot;presence&quot;, it&#039;s not really a lie. We&#039;re just HOPING that if we stay there long enough, good things will happen.

What would such a plan look like? Get rid of the Iraqi federal government and do what we really did in Germany and Japan - build a liberal society from the bottom up, not the top down. First you start with the rule of law, then you hold local elections, then provincial, and only THEN do you hand over to a national government.

Of course, we can&#039;t do that now. But that&#039;s the only path to a Germany/Japan/Korea-like solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A "hundred years of war" is misleading, but if he doesn't have a realistic way to turn the war into a "presence", it's not really a lie. We're just HOPING that if we stay there long enough, good things will happen.</p>
<p>What would such a plan look like? Get rid of the Iraqi federal government and do what we really did in Germany and Japan - build a liberal society from the bottom up, not the top down. First you start with the rule of law, then you hold local elections, then provincial, and only THEN do you hand over to a national government.</p>
<p>Of course, we can't do that now. But that's the only path to a Germany/Japan/Korea-like solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spinning it into a complete distortion of the truth is not &quot;smart politics&quot;.  It is a lie and should be called out as such.

A hundred years of being there, a hundred years of presence, a hundred years of commitment, those are spins.  Claiming &quot;one hundred years of war&quot; is too much.  This is no &quot;mild distortion&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spinning it into a complete distortion of the truth is not "smart politics".  It is a lie and should be called out as such.</p>
<p>A hundred years of being there, a hundred years of presence, a hundred years of commitment, those are spins.  Claiming "one hundred years of war" is too much.  This is no "mild distortion".</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to clarify, this is no mistake, it is an intentional Democrat Party Lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to clarify, this is no mistake, it is an intentional Democrat Party Lie.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no &quot;mistakenly&quot; about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no "mistakenly" about it!</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite so, Dave. And getting persnickety (that&#039;s an old person&#039;s word!) about McCain&#039;s exact quote belies the real takeaway from that interview - McCain has no more idea what t do in Iraq - how to solve the problems, how to get our troops home, how to make either Iraq or the US safer places - than Bush does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite so, Dave. And getting persnickety (that's an old person's word!) about McCain's exact quote belies the real takeaway from that interview - McCain has no more idea what t do in Iraq - how to solve the problems, how to get our troops home, how to make either Iraq or the US safer places - than Bush does.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Distorting one&#039;s opponent&#039;s position is part of the game but turnabout is fair play, too.  I suspect that Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton will be just as unhappy when Sen. McCain characterizes their positions as isolationist, anti-trade, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Distorting one's opponent's position is part of the game but turnabout is fair play, too.  I suspect that Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton will be just as unhappy when Sen. McCain characterizes their positions as isolationist, anti-trade, etc.</p>
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