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		<title>By: PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; On Hitler as a Cautionary Tale of Charisma in Democracy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/media_hid_palins_unknowledgability/comment-page-1/#comment-522022</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; On Hitler as a Cautionary Tale of Charisma in Democracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have seen, and largely ignored, such statements. The proximate cause of this post was a comment to a post at OTB that was at least in the family of Obama-Hitler comparisons. I decided to refresh my own [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have seen, and largely ignored, such statements. The proximate cause of this post was a comment to a post at OTB that was at least in the family of Obama-Hitler comparisons. I decided to refresh my own [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mckimmey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mckimmey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raise your hand if you have any proof of what you state in your article.

Rumor and unknown sources seems to become an accptable way to be a journalist - and establish credibility.

Frankly we don&#039;t believe everything we read or hear, and in particular don&#039;t put much stock in the stories we have heard from unnamed sources about a major unidentified columnist regularly meeting the school bus with sacks of candy.

But he hasn&#039;t denied it.

Maybe we&#039;ll hear more news later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raise your hand if you have any proof of what you state in your article.</p>
<p>Rumor and unknown sources seems to become an accptable way to be a journalist - and establish credibility.</p>
<p>Frankly we don't believe everything we read or hear, and in particular don't put much stock in the stories we have heard from unnamed sources about a major unidentified columnist regularly meeting the school bus with sacks of candy.</p>
<p>But he hasn't denied it.</p>
<p>Maybe we'll hear more news later.</p>
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		<title>By: Palin Derangement Syndrome</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/media_hid_palins_unknowledgability/comment-page-1/#comment-521904</link>
		<dc:creator>Palin Derangement Syndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post that has Xrlq and Beldar so up in arms was simply to dismiss Andrew Sullivan&#8217;s claim that the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: damnum absque injuria &#187; Still More on Circular Firing Squads</title>
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		<dc:creator>damnum absque injuria &#187; Still More on Circular Firing Squads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner drinks the anti-Palin Kool-Aid and eagerly accepts as fact the most outlandish claims of certain former McCain campaign operatives. Beldar goes to the opposite extreme of bashing not only the operatives themselves, for spewing that crap, or even Joyner, for believing it, but Carl Cameron of FoxNews for even reporting on it (Newsbusters does the same). That last bit is going a bit too far. Yes, liberals think FoxNews is a media arm of the Republican Party, for whom &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; is just another political slogan on the level of &#8220;hope and change.&#8221; No, liberals aren&#8217;t right about that. The network truly is fair and balanced, and their job is to report the news, not to report all the news that helps one side of the political spectrum at the expense of the other. If the Republican Party or some conservative group really wants a right wing equivalent of MSNBC, let them go out and form one. FoxNews is not that network, nor should it aspire to become that. As their other slogan notes, their job is to report; ours is to decide. [Cameron may indeed be worthy of some criticism for reporting these dubious allegations in a manner that suggested he was personally vouching for them, rather than simply reporting the fact that these allegations were made. That&#039;s a fair critique, but attacking him for reporting the allegations at all is not.] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner drinks the anti-Palin Kool-Aid and eagerly accepts as fact the most outlandish claims of certain former McCain campaign operatives. Beldar goes to the opposite extreme of bashing not only the operatives themselves, for spewing that crap, or even Joyner, for believing it, but Carl Cameron of FoxNews for even reporting on it (Newsbusters does the same). That last bit is going a bit too far. Yes, liberals think FoxNews is a media arm of the Republican Party, for whom &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; is just another political slogan on the level of &#8220;hope and change.&#8221; No, liberals aren&#8217;t right about that. The network truly is fair and balanced, and their job is to report the news, not to report all the news that helps one side of the political spectrum at the expense of the other. If the Republican Party or some conservative group really wants a right wing equivalent of MSNBC, let them go out and form one. FoxNews is not that network, nor should it aspire to become that. As their other slogan notes, their job is to report; ours is to decide. [Cameron may indeed be worthy of some criticism for reporting these dubious allegations in a manner that suggested he was personally vouching for them, rather than simply reporting the fact that these allegations were made. That's a fair critique, but attacking him for reporting the allegations at all is not.] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BeldarBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeldarBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A plea to John McCain: Find and expose the anonymous sources telling lies about Sarah Palin and use the McCain temper to &quot;make them famous&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

In the many hours I spent online doing background research on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin before I wrote my first post about her on June 8, 2008, I read many dozens of newspaper stories about her, dating back to her time as mayor of Wasilla in the late 199...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A plea to John McCain: Find and expose the anonymous sources telling lies about Sarah Palin and use the McCain temper to "make them famous"...</strong></p>
<p>In the many hours I spent online doing background research on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin before I wrote my first post about her on June 8, 2008, I read many dozens of newspaper stories about her, dating back to her time as mayor of Wasilla in the late 199...</p>
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		<title>By: TangoMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TangoMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do I believe Palin thought Africa was a country, couldn&#039;t name other countries in NAFTA and thought the VP was in charge of the Senate? Yes I do, absolutely. You have to remember Palin is a simple person with a simple view of the world outside of Alaska, that&#039;s all. Stupid, no... agonizingly, painfully, brutally simple, that&#039;s it.&lt;/i&gt;

Explain to us then how Governor Palin can act as a delegate to PNWER (here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://international.alberta.ca/documents/Trade/PNWER-2007.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;document &lt;/a&gt;from the Alberta Government Department of International, Intergovermental and Aboriginal Relations which lists her participation, along with other Pacific Northwest Governors,) and how she could participate in a forum that &lt;a href=&quot;http://burningbabylon.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/the-truth-about-sarah-palin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;address NAFTA issues&lt;/a&gt; and yet be unaware of NAFTA and the signatory countries: &lt;blockquote&gt;– As Alaska’s Governor, Palin is a delegate to PNWER (Pacific NorthWest Economic Region). PNWER is a public-private partnership including elected officials and private sector representatives from Alaska, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Montana, and Canada (Alberta, Yukon, British Columbia) “PNWER is an international collaboration on economic structures” (AK Rep. Coghill). Among it’s many areas of focus, PNWER works to “advance CANAMEX” — a “seamless” continental intermodal trade and transportation corridor (a main artery in what has been referred to in the past as the NAFTA Superhighway system).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As for the issue of the VP&#039;s role in relation to the Senate, the Washington Post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110602519.html?hpid=topnews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reports &lt;/a&gt;today:&lt;blockquote&gt;It should be noted that no jobs will be listed in the book for the office of the vice president. A spokesman for the Committee on Homeland Security and Government Reform explained that the vice president&#039;s office is technically neither part of the executive or legislative branch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So how&#039;s that fabled Canadian education system working again? I hear they&#039;re turning out graduates who are tops are imbibing propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do I believe Palin thought Africa was a country, couldn't name other countries in NAFTA and thought the VP was in charge of the Senate? Yes I do, absolutely. You have to remember Palin is a simple person with a simple view of the world outside of Alaska, that's all. Stupid, no... agonizingly, painfully, brutally simple, that's it.</i></p>
<p>Explain to us then how Governor Palin can act as a delegate to PNWER (here is a <a href="http://international.alberta.ca/documents/Trade/PNWER-2007.pdf" rel="nofollow">document </a>from the Alberta Government Department of International, Intergovermental and Aboriginal Relations which lists her participation, along with other Pacific Northwest Governors,) and how she could participate in a forum that <a href="http://burningbabylon.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/the-truth-about-sarah-palin/" rel="nofollow">address NAFTA issues</a> and yet be unaware of NAFTA and the signatory countries:<br />
<blockquote>– As Alaska&rsquo;s Governor, Palin is a delegate to PNWER (Pacific NorthWest Economic Region). PNWER is a public-private partnership including elected officials and private sector representatives from Alaska, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Montana, and Canada (Alberta, Yukon, British Columbia) “PNWER is an international collaboration on economic structures” (AK Rep. Coghill). Among it&rsquo;s many areas of focus, PNWER works to “advance CANAMEX” — a “seamless” continental intermodal trade and transportation corridor (a main artery in what has been referred to in the past as the NAFTA Superhighway system).</p></blockquote>
<p>As for the issue of the VP's role in relation to the Senate, the Washington Post <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110602519.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">reports </a>today:<br />
<blockquote>It should be noted that no jobs will be listed in the book for the office of the vice president. A spokesman for the Committee on Homeland Security and Government Reform explained that the vice president's office is technically neither part of the executive or legislative branch.</p></blockquote>
<p>So how's that fabled Canadian education system working again? I hear they're turning out graduates who are tops are imbibing propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/media_hid_palins_unknowledgability/comment-page-1/#comment-521619</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead,

Continue about what?  You didn&#039;t respond to what I wrote.  You were to one who felt like the Hitler analogy had some validity, and I attempted to explain, at least in part, why that wasn&#039;t the case.

At a minimum, one cannot, and should not, simply reduce Hitler and the rise of Nazism in Germany as simply a function of a charismatic speaker.

And, for wholly different reasons, one oughtn&#039;t reduce Obama to simply a guy who gives good 
speeches as a means of explanation.

It is not only tiresome, but intellectually lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead,</p>
<p>Continue about what?  You didn't respond to what I wrote.  You were to one who felt like the Hitler analogy had some validity, and I attempted to explain, at least in part, why that wasn't the case.</p>
<p>At a minimum, one cannot, and should not, simply reduce Hitler and the rise of Nazism in Germany as simply a function of a charismatic speaker.</p>
<p>And, for wholly different reasons, one oughtn't reduce Obama to simply a guy who gives good<br />
speeches as a means of explanation.</p>
<p>It is not only tiresome, but intellectually lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for the case to made for Obama&#039;s experience and accomplishments that evidence his readiness for office - other than his ability to amass adoring crowds by promising them goodies if they vote for him.

Somehow I don&#039;t think that case will be forthcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm still waiting for the case to made for Obama's experience and accomplishments that evidence his readiness for office - other than his ability to amass adoring crowds by promising them goodies if they vote for him.</p>
<p>Somehow I don't think that case will be forthcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, how about this: Hitler was never elected the President of Germany&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t recall that being the claim. The inferrence I took from the statement was that the ability to mass adoring corwds may not be the best measure of someone&#039;s worth in government.
 
But, whatever. Pray, continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, how about this: Hitler was never elected the President of Germany</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't recall that being the claim. The inferrence I took from the statement was that the ability to mass adoring corwds may not be the best measure of someone's worth in government.</p>
<p>But, whatever. Pray, continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Jaynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Jaynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Policy wonk?  Maybe not.  Basic citizenship?  I think you&#039;re letting your own logic slip away now.  When that moron carved her own face with a &quot;B,&quot; you were appropriately doubtful (and proved correct); yet, when the media proffers that a governor doesn&#039;t know that Africa is a continent, you buy it hook, line, and sinker.

I will continue to not use shifting BS detectors myself, and applying the same one as I applied to Ms. Backwards-B-Face, I call BS.  Perhaps the blue-bloods want to believe this story because it doesn&#039;t comport with their elitist vision of the Republican party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Policy wonk?  Maybe not.  Basic citizenship?  I think you're letting your own logic slip away now.  When that moron carved her own face with a "B," you were appropriately doubtful (and proved correct); yet, when the media proffers that a governor doesn't know that Africa is a continent, you buy it hook, line, and sinker.</p>
<p>I will continue to not use shifting BS detectors myself, and applying the same one as I applied to Ms. Backwards-B-Face, I call BS.  Perhaps the blue-bloods want to believe this story because it doesn't comport with their elitist vision of the Republican party</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Joyner, you&#039;re irrational on the subject of Sarah Palin.

You don&#039;t think the governor of Alaska ever reads a newspaper?

Sir, you are making a fool of yourself, soon to rival Andrew Sullivan in your dementia on this topic. It makes me genuinely sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Joyner, you're irrational on the subject of Sarah Palin.</p>
<p>You don't think the governor of Alaska ever reads a newspaper?</p>
<p>Sir, you are making a fool of yourself, soon to rival Andrew Sullivan in your dementia on this topic. It makes me genuinely sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Blakemore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Blakemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We start with the claim that the MSM protected Obama.  Those who cannot refute the claim resort to the old fall-back of &quot;everyone does it&quot; (see how Clinton supporters tried to brush off  his Lewinsky antics) or, in this case, &quot;the MSM protected both sides, so who cares?&quot;.  Palin was castigated as a rube hundreds of times, but Palin is gone.  Obama is here for four years.  We deal with the fact that we have hope for change, but little upon which to base that hope in terms of Obama&#039;s experience and achievements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We start with the claim that the MSM protected Obama.  Those who cannot refute the claim resort to the old fall-back of "everyone does it" (see how Clinton supporters tried to brush off  his Lewinsky antics) or, in this case, "the MSM protected both sides, so who cares?".  Palin was castigated as a rube hundreds of times, but Palin is gone.  Obama is here for four years.  We deal with the fact that we have hope for change, but little upon which to base that hope in terms of Obama's experience and achievements.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Thanks, Steve.

Anjin&#039;s right, though. The fact that Bitsy even seriously suggested by his reply the Hitler analogy was even appropriate is proof positive that the nutties just don&#039;t get it. They see a Hitler under every rock, no matter how big or small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Thanks, Steve.</p>
<p>Anjin's right, though. The fact that Bitsy even seriously suggested by his reply the Hitler analogy was even appropriate is proof positive that the nutties just don't get it. They see a Hitler under every rock, no matter how big or small.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven,

Are you really going to try to use actual history on the &quot;facts is confusing&quot; crowd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>
<p>Are you really going to try to use actual history on the "facts is confusing" crowd?</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, how about this: Hitler was never elected the President of Germany. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanx Steve. 

Now back to a more intelligent discussion of the topic at hand... (yeah, right...)

That Sarah Palin did not know Africa was a continent? Gag!... Choke... I ain&#039;t buying that.

That she did not know who the parties to NAFTA are? I&#039;ll bet she didn&#039;t know what NAFTA was!

That said, do not sell her short. 4 yrs are a long time. She is obviously intelligent, and also ambitous. Ignorance can be overcome. She wiil start to read all those publications she could not name... now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, how about this: Hitler was never elected the President of Germany. </p></blockquote>
<p>Thanx Steve. </p>
<p>Now back to a more intelligent discussion of the topic at hand... (yeah, right...)</p>
<p>That Sarah Palin did not know Africa was a continent? Gag!... Choke... I ain't buying that.</p>
<p>That she did not know who the parties to NAFTA are? I'll bet she didn't know what NAFTA was!</p>
<p>That said, do not sell her short. 4 yrs are a long time. She is obviously intelligent, and also ambitous. Ignorance can be overcome. She wiil start to read all those publications she could not name... now.</p>
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