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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/meet_joe_the_plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-517788</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fifty percent of small business income taxes are paid by small business.&quot;

John McCain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Fifty percent of small business income taxes are paid by small business."</p>
<p>John McCain</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nice strawman, Anjin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You don&#039;t know what a strawman is, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nice strawman, Anjin.</p></blockquote>
<p>You don't know what a strawman is, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/meet_joe_the_plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-517734</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, attacking the man is counterproductive to any argument that you might want to make.  Whether he is a plumber or a plumbers apprentice or if the business he is working to own makes fifty thousand or 5 million is entirely irrelevant.  He asked a straight forward question about a business situation and got a long, thoughtful, and respectful answer.  If you wanat to advocate for Obama follow his example on this one. 

I finally watched the piece and think that Obama handled it quite well and in a way that will appeal to more people than it will anger.  Many on the right on latching onto him saying something like, we&#039;ve got to spread the wealth around.  Pulling this out of context for political advantage is to be expected, but should not be taken seriously.  Listen to the whole thing and if you disagree (and many here will) then argue against his actual argument.  Anything else is just freelance hackery or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, attacking the man is counterproductive to any argument that you might want to make.  Whether he is a plumber or a plumbers apprentice or if the business he is working to own makes fifty thousand or 5 million is entirely irrelevant.  He asked a straight forward question about a business situation and got a long, thoughtful, and respectful answer.  If you wanat to advocate for Obama follow his example on this one. </p>
<p>I finally watched the piece and think that Obama handled it quite well and in a way that will appeal to more people than it will anger.  Many on the right on latching onto him saying something like, we've got to spread the wealth around.  Pulling this out of context for political advantage is to be expected, but should not be taken seriously.  Listen to the whole thing and if you disagree (and many here will) then argue against his actual argument.  Anything else is just freelance hackery or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice strawman, Anjin.  How is that working?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice strawman, Anjin.  How is that working?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given his comments here, it seems only fair that Sam should come out of the closet and provide full disclosure as to his own identity, his employment history, and the addresses of his various domiciles over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given his comments here, it seems only fair that Sam should come out of the closet and provide full disclosure as to his own identity, his employment history, and the addresses of his various domiciles over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I will say for &#039;ol Joe, he has done more interviews in one day then Palin has done since she arrived on the scene...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I will say for 'ol Joe, he has done more interviews in one day then Palin has done since she arrived on the scene...</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is being missed here.  Obama went to this guys neighborhood, not the other way around.  Obama picked him out of the rope line to talk to.  Obama&#039;s choice.  Joe asked a question the media should have been asking Obama for a long time and the answer he got is financial redistribution in nature.  Shall we call a communist pig a communist pig?  Or is that racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is being missed here.  Obama went to this guys neighborhood, not the other way around.  Obama picked him out of the rope line to talk to.  Obama's choice.  Joe asked a question the media should have been asking Obama for a long time and the answer he got is financial redistribution in nature.  Shall we call a communist pig a communist pig?  Or is that racist?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not necessarily-depends a lot on why he owes them. Owing back taxes doesn&#039;t always mean a person criminally evaded them-sometimes you just screw up something in your filing, and it is especially easy to do if you work for yourself or do side work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or even have a tough year financially.  If he were a CEO of a large financial institution sam would be all too willing to bail him out.

I don&#039;t know the specifics of Joe Wurzelbacher&#039;s finances and don&#039;t particularly care.  They strike me as beside the point to the issue of taxes and policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not necessarily-depends a lot on why he owes them. Owing back taxes doesn't always mean a person criminally evaded them-sometimes you just screw up something in your filing, and it is especially easy to do if you work for yourself or do side work.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or even have a tough year financially.  If he were a CEO of a large financial institution sam would be all too willing to bail him out.</p>
<p>I don't know the specifics of Joe Wurzelbacher's finances and don't particularly care.  They strike me as beside the point to the issue of taxes and policy.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy it doesn&#039;t matter if Obama is responsible for them, if it looks like people who are supporting him are going after Mr. Average Joe the Plumber it will hurt him-just like the accusations about McCain and Palin have hurt them, even though it turns out the whole &quot;Kill him&quot; thing didn&#039;t even happen.  

&lt;em&gt;Charles, it doesn&#039;t strike you as the slightest bit, oh, I don&#039;t know, unseemly, maybe, that someone held up as an icon on the anti-tax front owes back taxes?&lt;/em&gt;

Not necessarily-depends a lot on why he owes them. Owing back taxes doesn&#039;t always mean a person criminally evaded them-sometimes you just screw up something in your filing, and it is especially easy to do if you work for yourself or do side work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy it doesn't matter if Obama is responsible for them, if it looks like people who are supporting him are going after Mr. Average Joe the Plumber it will hurt him-just like the accusations about McCain and Palin have hurt them, even though it turns out the whole "Kill him" thing didn't even happen.  </p>
<p><em>Charles, it doesn't strike you as the slightest bit, oh, I don't know, unseemly, maybe, that someone held up as an icon on the anti-tax front owes back taxes?</em></p>
<p>Not necessarily-depends a lot on why he owes them. Owing back taxes doesn't always mean a person criminally evaded them-sometimes you just screw up something in your filing, and it is especially easy to do if you work for yourself or do side work.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;now his minions are out there attacking the average Joe who doesn&#039;t want his taxes raised.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama is about as responsible for this as McCain is for &quot;kill him!&quot; and &quot;sit down boy.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Also Sam, I cannot help the fact that you find the Toledo Blade a more authoritative source for professional licensing requirements in the state of Ohio than the Ohio Administrative Code itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A lawyer you are not.  Google &quot;local government authority&quot; and see if that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>now his minions are out there attacking the average Joe who doesn't want his taxes raised.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama is about as responsible for this as McCain is for "kill him!" and "sit down boy."</p>
<blockquote><p>Also Sam, I cannot help the fact that you find the Toledo Blade a more authoritative source for professional licensing requirements in the state of Ohio than the Ohio Administrative Code itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>A lawyer you are not.  Google "local government authority" and see if that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I understand why income is taxed thought because it&#039;s the easiest thing to tax and not have collection nightmares like you would have with a national sales tax (the newly minted underground economy would be a hoot).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t forget, too, that sales tax is already the biggest source of funding for most state governments. If the US government suddenly switched over to a massive, nation-wide sales tax, then odds are the state governments would turn around and do an income tax.</description>
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I understand why income is taxed thought because it's the easiest thing to tax and not have collection nightmares like you would have with a national sales tax (the newly minted underground economy would be a hoot).</p></blockquote>
<p>Don't forget, too, that sales tax is already the biggest source of funding for most state governments. If the US government suddenly switched over to a massive, nation-wide sales tax, then odds are the state governments would turn around and do an income tax.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, you mean this silly question:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and just curious Sam, but should anyone who owes back taxes be prohibited from expressing an opinion or even holding office?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The answer is no they should not.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually, it strikes me as amazingly consistent that someone who owes back taxes would object to higher taxes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Me too, that was my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, you mean this silly question:</p>
<blockquote><p>Oh, and just curious Sam, but should anyone who owes back taxes be prohibited from expressing an opinion or even holding office?</p></blockquote>
<p>The answer is no they should not.</p>
<blockquote><p>Actually, it strikes me as amazingly consistent that someone who owes back taxes would object to higher taxes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Me too, that was my point.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Sam, I cannot help the fact that you find the Toledo Blade a more authoritative source for professional licensing requirements in the state of Ohio than the Ohio Administrative Code itself.  Your on your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Sam, I cannot help the fact that you find the Toledo Blade a more authoritative source for professional licensing requirements in the state of Ohio than the Ohio Administrative Code itself.  Your on your own.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The politics of plumber destruction, liberals are sad little pu--ies, oops I meant donkeys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The politics of plumber destruction, liberals are sad little pu--ies, oops I meant donkeys.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it strikes me as amazingly consistent that someone who owes back taxes would object to higher taxes.  It&#039;s a logic thang, you wouldn&#039;t understand.

But I did notice that you have studiously avoided answering my question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it strikes me as amazingly consistent that someone who owes back taxes would object to higher taxes.  It's a logic thang, you wouldn't understand.</p>
<p>But I did notice that you have studiously avoided answering my question.</p>
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