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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your sympathetic interest in pedophiles, and pathetic drug addicts is duly noted, Michael.&lt;/blockquote&gt;WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your sympathetic interest in pedophiles, and pathetic drug addicts is duly noted, Michael.</p></blockquote>
<p>WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/michael_jackson_dies_kills_internet/comment-page-1/#comment-1083242</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your sympathetic interest in pedophiles, and pathetic drug addicts is duly noted, Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your sympathetic interest in pedophiles, and pathetic drug addicts is duly noted, Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/michael_jackson_dies_kills_internet/comment-page-1/#comment-1075916</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s understandable how some people would think all the fuss over this is just too much...even &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/why-yes-i-have-always-had-a-stick-up-my-butt-why-do-you-ask/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chief Justice Pissypants&lt;/A&gt; didn&#039;t care for him all that much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's understandable how some people would think all the fuss over this is just too much...even <a HREF="http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/why-yes-i-have-always-had-a-stick-up-my-butt-why-do-you-ask/" rel="nofollow">Chief Justice Pissypants</a> didn't care for him all that much...</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/michael_jackson_dies_kills_internet/comment-page-1/#comment-1075761</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We interrupt this week&#039;s edition of Tech Talk to observe what a sad state of affairs we have when a psycho, drug laced, pedophile can hold humans spellbound with his OD just because he made catchy songs with a good beat that are easy to dance to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Right, because nobody noticed when Elvis or Kurt Cobain died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We interrupt this week's edition of Tech Talk to observe what a sad state of affairs we have when a psycho, drug laced, pedophile can hold humans spellbound with his OD just because he made catchy songs with a good beat that are easy to dance to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, because nobody noticed when Elvis or Kurt Cobain died.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/michael_jackson_dies_kills_internet/comment-page-1/#comment-1075738</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We interrupt this week&#039;s edition of Tech Talk to observe what a sad state of affairs we have when a psycho, drug laced, pedophile can hold humans spellbound with his OD just because he made catchy songs with a good beat that are easy to dance to. 

Hoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We interrupt this week's edition of Tech Talk to observe what a sad state of affairs we have when a psycho, drug laced, pedophile can hold humans spellbound with his OD just because he made catchy songs with a good beat that are easy to dance to. </p>
<p>Hoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have always marveled that while slow, the net never quit outright, as it did yesterday in a lot of cases. New York particularly shocked me, because as I found out later, the outer wall on the buidling the pop was in, had been damaged by the towers falling.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not that marvelous; after all, the whole point of the internet was to build a network where large parts of it could be destroyed in a nuclear war and the surviving bits would still be able to function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have always marveled that while slow, the net never quit outright, as it did yesterday in a lot of cases. New York particularly shocked me, because as I found out later, the outer wall on the buidling the pop was in, had been damaged by the towers falling.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not that marvelous; after all, the whole point of the internet was to build a network where large parts of it could be destroyed in a nuclear war and the surviving bits would still be able to function.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilton Runn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilton Runn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this underscores what a flimsy tool for communication and disseminating information the internet actually is. I don&#039;t believe that the servers are going to be able to keep up now that the internet has kicked into high gear as an ADD Nation&#039;s 24 hour news and entertainment feed. 

I remember when we used to be able to avoid insipid celebrity opinions. 

A total Worldwide Web crash-a complete internet blackout-would cause far more chaos, disruption, and anxiety than the current economic crisis because it would not allow for denial: the usual ego-preservation strategies would fail in the face of its immediacy.

I predict this, too, will crash under its own weight.

Hilton Runn/Foie Grasie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this underscores what a flimsy tool for communication and disseminating information the internet actually is. I don't believe that the servers are going to be able to keep up now that the internet has kicked into high gear as an ADD Nation's 24 hour news and entertainment feed. </p>
<p>I remember when we used to be able to avoid insipid celebrity opinions. </p>
<p>A total Worldwide Web crash-a complete internet blackout-would cause far more chaos, disruption, and anxiety than the current economic crisis because it would not allow for denial: the usual ego-preservation strategies would fail in the face of its immediacy.</p>
<p>I predict this, too, will crash under its own weight.</p>
<p>Hilton Runn/Foie Grasie</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yesterday, boradband simply wasn&#039;t happening at all on eiher of my lines from home, and the cell phone was noticeably slow but serviceable as was the dialup.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I noticed no issues yesterday on my home line or from my server, and haven&#039;t heard of anyone else having issues (apart from topical sites, and now you) with bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yesterday, boradband simply wasn't happening at all on eiher of my lines from home, and the cell phone was noticeably slow but serviceable as was the dialup.</p></blockquote>
<p>I noticed no issues yesterday on my home line or from my server, and haven't heard of anyone else having issues (apart from topical sites, and now you) with bandwidth.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as I say in the case of 9/11 the numbers were not encouraging, though it held.

Yesterday, boradband simply wasn&#039;t happening at all on eiher of my lines from home, and the cell phone was noticeably slow but serviceable as was the dialup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I say in the case of 9/11 the numbers were not encouraging, though it held.</p>
<p>Yesterday, boradband simply wasn't happening at all on eiher of my lines from home, and the cell phone was noticeably slow but serviceable as was the dialup.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was also a sort of shocked response to 9/11, most people just watched the TV news coverage rather than thinking they needed to check out the internet for more info.  

Also, during 9/11, the disparity between what the TV news stations knew and what the internet knew favored the TV stations.  With MJ, the news broke first on the internet, and they had the scoop for quite a while before the TV stations got the details out.

End-user bandwidth might have also been a factor.  Broadband users can hammer more sites than dial-up users, and there are more broadband users now than in 2001.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have always marveled that while slow, the net never quit outright, as it did yesterday in a lot of cases.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I would like to emphasis that the internet was fine, both during 9/11 and yesterday.  Yesterday a few topical sites were overloaded, but the rest of the internet didn&#039;t notice much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was also a sort of shocked response to 9/11, most people just watched the TV news coverage rather than thinking they needed to check out the internet for more info.  </p>
<p>Also, during 9/11, the disparity between what the TV news stations knew and what the internet knew favored the TV stations.  With MJ, the news broke first on the internet, and they had the scoop for quite a while before the TV stations got the details out.</p>
<p>End-user bandwidth might have also been a factor.  Broadband users can hammer more sites than dial-up users, and there are more broadband users now than in 2001.</p>
<blockquote><p>I have always marveled that while slow, the net never quit outright, as it did yesterday in a lot of cases.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would like to emphasis that the internet was fine, both during 9/11 and yesterday.  Yesterday a few topical sites were overloaded, but the rest of the internet didn't notice much.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When 9/11 happened, I was in my office in Downtown Rochester. Almost as soon as I&#039;d heard the news, my alarm bells started ringing as the bandwidth consumption at routers I was watching went through the ceiling.  The company I was with at the time, had two POPs... one in LA, and one in New York... as it turned out, amost underneath the towers. Both relfetced a huge jump in traffic, despite the early hour on the west coast yet. Numbers from routers on the far side of the firewall in each case were even worse. 

I have always marveled that while slow, the net never quit outright, as it did yesterday in a lot of cases. New York particularly shocked me, because as I found out later, the outer wall on the buidling the pop was in, had been damaged by the towers falling.

I imgine there&#039;s a few differneces that might account for this difference; We&#039;re far more &#039;on the net&#039; as a people than we were then... the net wasn&#039;t nearly as universal. Broadband aps weren&#039;t used nearly as much... such as video and audio streams.  And since that time, more folks are using the net as their primary source of news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When 9/11 happened, I was in my office in Downtown Rochester. Almost as soon as I'd heard the news, my alarm bells started ringing as the bandwidth consumption at routers I was watching went through the ceiling.  The company I was with at the time, had two POPs... one in LA, and one in New York... as it turned out, amost underneath the towers. Both relfetced a huge jump in traffic, despite the early hour on the west coast yet. Numbers from routers on the far side of the firewall in each case were even worse. </p>
<p>I have always marveled that while slow, the net never quit outright, as it did yesterday in a lot of cases. New York particularly shocked me, because as I found out later, the outer wall on the buidling the pop was in, had been damaged by the towers falling.</p>
<p>I imgine there's a few differneces that might account for this difference; We're far more 'on the net' as a people than we were then... the net wasn't nearly as universal. Broadband aps weren't used nearly as much... such as video and audio streams.  And since that time, more folks are using the net as their primary source of news.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general, something like cloud computing will leverage the tendency of a spike on one server to be balanced by normal (or even low) activity for other applications/servers. In other words, it smooths out demand by aggregating capacity and demand across many needs.  Smoother demand means that the gap between capacity and actual utilization is smaller, which reduces costs.

So, it&#039;s not a magic bullet. A data center will still need to decide whether or not it makes business sense to maintain capacity for a once in N years spike.  The difference is that now demand can be aggregated, which results in less spiky demand (overall).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general, something like cloud computing will leverage the tendency of a spike on one server to be balanced by normal (or even low) activity for other applications/servers. In other words, it smooths out demand by aggregating capacity and demand across many needs.  Smoother demand means that the gap between capacity and actual utilization is smaller, which reduces costs.</p>
<p>So, it's not a magic bullet. A data center will still need to decide whether or not it makes business sense to maintain capacity for a once in N years spike.  The difference is that now demand can be aggregated, which results in less spiky demand (overall).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s amazing that even robust servers can go down with too many simultaneous queries.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s usually not the servers, it&#039;s the connections and bandwidth.  The internet protocols only allow so many simultaneous connections per IP address, and even large bandwidth connections can be saturated by a sudden rush of data.

&lt;blockquote&gt;One would think that the advent of cloud technologies and redundancies would have ended that by this stage in the Internet’s maturation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Cloud computing itself is still in it&#039;s infancy, I doubt any of the above mentioned sites use it.  Redundant servers don&#039;t help when your internet connection is pegged.  

Load balancing is the key, but with traffic like this simple server load balancing isn&#039;t always enough, you run into bottlenecks on the gateway, DNS servers, even switches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&rsquo;s amazing that even robust servers can go down with too many simultaneous queries.</p></blockquote>
<p>It's usually not the servers, it's the connections and bandwidth.  The internet protocols only allow so many simultaneous connections per IP address, and even large bandwidth connections can be saturated by a sudden rush of data.</p>
<blockquote><p>One would think that the advent of cloud technologies and redundancies would have ended that by this stage in the Internet&rsquo;s maturation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cloud computing itself is still in it's infancy, I doubt any of the above mentioned sites use it.  Redundant servers don't help when your internet connection is pegged.  </p>
<p>Load balancing is the key, but with traffic like this simple server load balancing isn't always enough, you run into bottlenecks on the gateway, DNS servers, even switches.</p>
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