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		<title>By: Poca Dot</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/miers_debates_shows_elite-mainstream_conservative_divide/comment-page-1/#comment-60376</link>
		<dc:creator>Poca Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Quag Miers&lt;/strong&gt;

Mister Snitch has activated his Poindexter Awareness Office and scanned Harriet Miers for possible Souterisms. After consulting his panel of experts from Slovokia and West Virginia and elsewhere Outside the Beltway, Mr. Snitch declares: &quot;The experts ...</description>
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<p>Mister Snitch has activated his Poindexter Awareness Office and scanned Harriet Miers for possible Souterisms. After consulting his panel of experts from Slovokia and West Virginia and elsewhere Outside the Beltway, Mr. Snitch declares: "The experts ...</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my many years of travel and living thruout many parts of this country, I learned one very important lesson. That is, there are three parts of this country.

There is the west (Left) coast.

There is the East Coast, (Often thought of as mainly the Northeast only) that is very liberal.

And in between, there is America.

Is was America that put Bush in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my many years of travel and living thruout many parts of this country, I learned one very important lesson. That is, there are three parts of this country.</p>
<p>There is the west (Left) coast.</p>
<p>There is the East Coast, (Often thought of as mainly the Northeast only) that is very liberal.</p>
<p>And in between, there is America.</p>
<p>Is was America that put Bush in office.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; IMO Bush believes that, with the possible exception of Scalia, who, as a Catholic, is suspect, conservative Christians, a very important part of the electorate, are not now but should be represented on the Supreme Court.&lt;/em&gt;

Clarence Thomas has a degree from a catholic seminary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> IMO Bush believes that, with the possible exception of Scalia, who, as a Catholic, is suspect, conservative Christians, a very important part of the electorate, are not now but should be represented on the Supreme Court.</em></p>
<p>Clarence Thomas has a degree from a catholic seminary.</p>
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		<title>By: Weapons of Mass Destruction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weapons of Mass Destruction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This is it?&lt;/strong&gt;

This morning, while sipping on my coffee, I read the most recent post on the Miers mess by the Anchoress. The Anchoress has long been one of my favorite blogs and she is a unique voice in the blogosphere. In</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This is it?</strong></p>
<p>This morning, while sipping on my coffee, I read the most recent post on the Miers mess by the Anchoress. The Anchoress has long been one of my favorite blogs and she is a unique voice in the blogosphere. In</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt Bush really believes that Miers will be the substance of his legacy.  The important thing about Miers as far as Bush is concerned is that she is a conservative Christian.  IMO Bush believes that, with the possible exception of Scalia, who, as a Catholic, is suspect, conservative Christians, a very important part of the electorate, are not now but should be represented on the Supreme Court.  Elitist conservatives, Tories, would want a Justice who is guided by the constitution and the country&#039;s traditions, and they are horrified by the thought that the only document that would guide Miers is the Bible.  By now, after all these years, conservatives should realize that Bush is not one of them.  Next up will be a Jacksonian Fed nominee ready to drive the money changers, people who worry about deficits and inflation, from the temple.  Harry Reid will love this person too.  Is it time to buy gold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt Bush really believes that Miers will be the substance of his legacy.  The important thing about Miers as far as Bush is concerned is that she is a conservative Christian.  IMO Bush believes that, with the possible exception of Scalia, who, as a Catholic, is suspect, conservative Christians, a very important part of the electorate, are not now but should be represented on the Supreme Court.  Elitist conservatives, Tories, would want a Justice who is guided by the constitution and the country's traditions, and they are horrified by the thought that the only document that would guide Miers is the Bible.  By now, after all these years, conservatives should realize that Bush is not one of them.  Next up will be a Jacksonian Fed nominee ready to drive the money changers, people who worry about deficits and inflation, from the temple.  Harry Reid will love this person too.  Is it time to buy gold?</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Snitch!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Snitch!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Introducing the Poindexter Awareness Office&lt;/strong&gt;

We are pleased to introduce the Poindexter Awareness Office, dedicated to identifying those whose overqualifications make them incapable of actually getting anything done. 

The Poindexter Awareness Office has identified Harriet Miers as the anti-P...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Introducing the Poindexter Awareness Office</strong></p>
<p>We are pleased to introduce the Poindexter Awareness Office, dedicated to identifying those whose overqualifications make them incapable of actually getting anything done. </p>
<p>The Poindexter Awareness Office has identified Harriet Miers as the anti-P...</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is facinating to see the right slip into the dirty tactics of the left so easily, namly, name calling those with whom you find disagreement, elitists.

It is not being elite to be uncomfortable with this key choice after many years of battle, when the main argument in favor of her is that we should trust Bush-he knows her well. There is no one more trustworthy than Jesus, but he hand- picked Judas after knowing him better than anyone. It turned out to be a disaster. We, not being omnipitant, can&#039;t turn a disasterous choice into salvation as did Christ. 

There were far better choices, better strategies than splitting ourselves in two while the Dems sit laughing at their woundless victory. Karl and George blew this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is facinating to see the right slip into the dirty tactics of the left so easily, namly, name calling those with whom you find disagreement, elitists.</p>
<p>It is not being elite to be uncomfortable with this key choice after many years of battle, when the main argument in favor of her is that we should trust Bush-he knows her well. There is no one more trustworthy than Jesus, but he hand- picked Judas after knowing him better than anyone. It turned out to be a disaster. We, not being omnipitant, can't turn a disasterous choice into salvation as did Christ. </p>
<p>There were far better choices, better strategies than splitting ourselves in two while the Dems sit laughing at their woundless victory. Karl and George blew this one!</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...this would have, once again, stalemated the Congress, and thus led to another session of Washington doing nothing productive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You say that like it&#039;s a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>...this would have, once again, stalemated the Congress, and thus led to another session of Washington doing nothing productive.</p></blockquote>
<p>You say that like it's a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Handful of Sand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handful of Sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Miers and Elite Law Schools&lt;/strong&gt;

Over at Originalisms, Tim Shuman gives what I think is unshakeable evidence that whatever the basis of conservative opposition to the Miers nomination may be, it is not law school snobbishness:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Miers and Elite Law Schools</strong></p>
<p>Over at Originalisms, Tim Shuman gives what I think is unshakeable evidence that whatever the basis of conservative opposition to the Miers nomination may be, it is not law school snobbishness:</p>
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		<title>By: Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No voter is ever going to walk into a voting booth wondering whether the president&#039;s Supreme Court nominees share her legal philosophy, for the simple reason that most voters don&#039;t have a legal philosophy themselves.&lt;/i&gt;

Patently false. A great many conservatives who were not at all pleased with the big government impulses of George Bush voted for him largely for SupCt reasons. It was right behind the War on Terror on my - and many other right-leaning voters&#039; - list of reasons to prefer Bush over Kerry. Had the Democrats actually nominated someone (like Lieberman) I could trust on national security, it would almost assuredly have been the deciding factor in my vote. And I am hardly alone. 

Perhaps TNR&#039;s logic applies to a great many voters, but it is plain nonsense for a significant minority, left and right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No voter is ever going to walk into a voting booth wondering whether the president's Supreme Court nominees share her legal philosophy, for the simple reason that most voters don't have a legal philosophy themselves.</i></p>
<p>Patently false. A great many conservatives who were not at all pleased with the big government impulses of George Bush voted for him largely for SupCt reasons. It was right behind the War on Terror on my - and many other right-leaning voters' - list of reasons to prefer Bush over Kerry. Had the Democrats actually nominated someone (like Lieberman) I could trust on national security, it would almost assuredly have been the deciding factor in my vote. And I am hardly alone. </p>
<p>Perhaps TNR's logic applies to a great many voters, but it is plain nonsense for a significant minority, left and right.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really no different than you&#039;d expect at hiring anyone for an extremely competitive position, or even as professor at a top university. Sure, a candidate from SMU might be able to crack the ranks at Harvard or Princeton or whatever top school. But the presumption is that such a candidate would be twice as good in another area, like research and publications. Miers is good at *none* of the areas traditionally important for court nominees (judicial experience, top academic qualifications/publications, or constitutional expertise).

I&#039;m hardly an elitist. My step-father is a labor union electrician, and I went to a small state school for undergrad. But I expect the supreme court to have some pretty elite minds who have shown that they are such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really no different than you'd expect at hiring anyone for an extremely competitive position, or even as professor at a top university. Sure, a candidate from SMU might be able to crack the ranks at Harvard or Princeton or whatever top school. But the presumption is that such a candidate would be twice as good in another area, like research and publications. Miers is good at *none* of the areas traditionally important for court nominees (judicial experience, top academic qualifications/publications, or constitutional expertise).</p>
<p>I'm hardly an elitist. My step-father is a labor union electrician, and I went to a small state school for undergrad. But I expect the supreme court to have some pretty elite minds who have shown that they are such.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attila: Agreed. But that&#039;s an intellectual elite&#039;s view of what the Court does. 

As a &#039;Bama PhD, I certainly agree that the lack of an Ivy League degree is dispositive. It is, however, a proxy for a given level of intelligence and training that a candidate without that credential would have to demonstrate otherwise.  Ditto refereed journal articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attila: Agreed. But that's an intellectual elite's view of what the Court does. </p>
<p>As a 'Bama PhD, I certainly agree that the lack of an Ivy League degree is dispositive. It is, however, a proxy for a given level of intelligence and training that a candidate without that credential would have to demonstrate otherwise.  Ditto refereed journal articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Attila (Pillage Idiot)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attila (Pillage Idiot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;going to a lower tier school, not having published major journal pieces, not having a judicial philosophy&lt;/em&gt;

These are three very different things.  I went to an Ivy League college and law school, but I&#039;m not qualified to be on the S.Ct.  Similarly, the fact that Miers didn&#039;t go to the Ivy League means nothing.  Publishing major journal pieces isn&#039;t really a big deal, either, but it&#039;s a stand-in for what IS the big deal -- having a judicial philosophy.  It&#039;s inconceivable to me that someone would be nominated to the S.Ct. without having thought about the role of judges in deciding cases and their role more generally in our political system.  That&#039;s not elitism; it&#039;s asking for a qualified candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>going to a lower tier school, not having published major journal pieces, not having a judicial philosophy</em></p>
<p>These are three very different things.  I went to an Ivy League college and law school, but I'm not qualified to be on the S.Ct.  Similarly, the fact that Miers didn't go to the Ivy League means nothing.  Publishing major journal pieces isn't really a big deal, either, but it's a stand-in for what IS the big deal -- having a judicial philosophy.  It's inconceivable to me that someone would be nominated to the S.Ct. without having thought about the role of judges in deciding cases and their role more generally in our political system.  That's not elitism; it's asking for a qualified candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G: Aside from sending troops to war, there is scarcely anything a president can do that has more impact than a Supreme Court appointment.  The Court makes some of the most important decisions in American political life and members serve 25 to 40 years, long after a president has left office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G: Aside from sending troops to war, there is scarcely anything a president can do that has more impact than a Supreme Court appointment.  The Court makes some of the most important decisions in American political life and members serve 25 to 40 years, long after a president has left office.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this sort of reporting reflects the liberal misunderstanding of conservatism, and in fact projects a little bit of liberalism onto the conservative movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this sort of reporting reflects the liberal misunderstanding of conservatism, and in fact projects a little bit of liberalism onto the conservative movement.</p>
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