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		<title>By: As I See it &#187; Evidence that a voting test be given to get the privilege to vote.</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/minnesota_challenged_ballots/comment-page-1/#comment-527239</link>
		<dc:creator>As I See it &#187; Evidence that a voting test be given to get the privilege to vote.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Minnesota Challenged Ballots. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/minnesota_challenged_ballots/comment-page-1/#comment-527034</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Examples of challenged ballots in Minnesota...&lt;/strong&gt;

The Minnesota Public Radio website has posted several examples (bigger pictures here) of ballots that have been challenged in one way or another by both the Franken and Coleman campaigns respectively, and asks that you be the judge on whether the ballo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Examples of challenged ballots in Minnesota...</strong></p>
<p>The Minnesota Public Radio website has posted several examples (bigger pictures here) of ballots that have been challenged in one way or another by both the Franken and Coleman campaigns respectively, and asks that you be the judge on whether the ballo...</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly-the little notice about how to vote and what to do if you screw up is pretty clear-at least everywhere that I have used optical scanners.

And anyone that ever went to a public school should grasp how to fill in circles next to the right answer.  Shoot I went to a private school and we took standardized tests every year that involved filling in circles.

I am not keen on the idea of dicerning voter intent.  My feeling is if they didn&#039;t mark the ballot clearly enough for a reasonable person to tell who they voted for, then toss the ballot period.  If you are too stupid to fill out the ballot, then whether your vote gets counted is your problem.  Nobody kept you from voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly-the little notice about how to vote and what to do if you screw up is pretty clear-at least everywhere that I have used optical scanners.</p>
<p>And anyone that ever went to a public school should grasp how to fill in circles next to the right answer.  Shoot I went to a private school and we took standardized tests every year that involved filling in circles.</p>
<p>I am not keen on the idea of dicerning voter intent.  My feeling is if they didn't mark the ballot clearly enough for a reasonable person to tell who they voted for, then toss the ballot period.  If you are too stupid to fill out the ballot, then whether your vote gets counted is your problem.  Nobody kept you from voting.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately for you, we have things called laws.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How&#039;s that unfortunate?  Dave says that officials shouldn&#039;t be put in a position to guess, which would be alleviated by voters filling in their ballots correctly.  I agree.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But, hey, I hear Beau Biden is taking his dad&#039;s seat in the Sentate. I also heard that a McCain supporter was attacked last night by an Obama supporter who cut her up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure what this has to do with anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unfortunately for you, we have things called laws.</p></blockquote>
<p>How's that unfortunate?  Dave says that officials shouldn't be put in a position to guess, which would be alleviated by voters filling in their ballots correctly.  I agree.</p>
<blockquote><p>But, hey, I hear Beau Biden is taking his dad's seat in the Sentate. I also heard that a McCain supporter was attacked last night by an Obama supporter who cut her up.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.</p>
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		<title>By: SavageView</title>
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		<dc:creator>SavageView</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that&#039;s right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately for you, we have things called laws.  But, hey, I hear Beau Biden is taking his dad&#039;s seat in the Sentate.  I also heard that a McCain supporter was attacked last night by an Obama supporter who cut her up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think that's right.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately for you, we have things called laws.  But, hey, I hear Beau Biden is taking his dad's seat in the Sentate.  I also heard that a McCain supporter was attacked last night by an Obama supporter who cut her up.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was as tough, maybe even tougher, than Dave.  I have grave concerns that if I am too lenient in attempting to ascertain intent, then I become the voter.

A few were easy: the erasures and thumbprints.  The intent was very clear; it was no doubt the technology that was impeding the vote.  Also, the voter that placed a check mark and block next to the same candidate, but not in the circle.  But, the rules say we should consider the totality of the ballot, so I might reconsider if the ballot showed a pattern of filling-in the circle properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was as tough, maybe even tougher, than Dave.  I have grave concerns that if I am too lenient in attempting to ascertain intent, then I become the voter.</p>
<p>A few were easy: the erasures and thumbprints.  The intent was very clear; it was no doubt the technology that was impeding the vote.  Also, the voter that placed a check mark and block next to the same candidate, but not in the circle.  But, the rules say we should consider the totality of the ballot, so I might reconsider if the ballot showed a pattern of filling-in the circle properly.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ballots are legal documents not sketch pads, doodle pads, or scrap paper. Election judges shouldn&#039;t be placed in the position of needing to guess at voter intent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ballots are legal documents not sketch pads, doodle pads, or scrap paper. Election judges shouldn't be placed in the position of needing to guess at voter intent.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that's right.</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the lizard people one is pretty hilarious, but I think the intent is fairly clear that they wanted to vote for Franken.  I don&#039;t know what the law is in there but I&#039;d assume if you wrote it in you&#039;d have to fill in the circle as well.  Also, he filled in the circle for all his other votes we can see, including another vote for the write in lizard people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the lizard people one is pretty hilarious, but I think the intent is fairly clear that they wanted to vote for Franken.  I don't know what the law is in there but I'd assume if you wrote it in you'd have to fill in the circle as well.  Also, he filled in the circle for all his other votes we can see, including another vote for the write in lizard people.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually been through this process and I guess I&#039;m tougher than you are, James.  I&#039;d&#039;ve thrown out 1, 4, and 7, too.

I&#039;ve had voters spoil as many as four ballots.  There&#039;s no barrier other than embarrassment to doing so.  Ballots are legal documents not sketch pads, doodle pads, or scrap paper.  Election judges shouldn&#039;t be placed in the position of needing to guess at voter intent.  There&#039;s no completely fair way to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've actually been through this process and I guess I'm tougher than you are, James.  I'd've thrown out 1, 4, and 7, too.</p>
<p>I've had voters spoil as many as four ballots.  There's no barrier other than embarrassment to doing so.  Ballots are legal documents not sketch pads, doodle pads, or scrap paper.  Election judges shouldn't be placed in the position of needing to guess at voter intent.  There's no completely fair way to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even know why they are going through with this.  Stuart Smalley lost and Coleman won.  The &quot;recount&quot;  doesn&#039;t even broach the fact that ACORN was active in the state, stuffing ballot boxes for their liberal elitist patrons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't even know why they are going through with this.  Stuart Smalley lost and Coleman won.  The "recount"  doesn't even broach the fact that ACORN was active in the state, stuffing ballot boxes for their liberal elitist patrons.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 to me looks like he was trying to see if his pen worked...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 to me looks like he was trying to see if his pen worked...</p>
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		<title>By: FireWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#3. I’m sorry, but if you can’t figure out that the candidates have circles by them inside the box and that there are no places to mark any candidate but Barkley outside the box, you’re too damned stupid to vote.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What if the voter was trying to convey 1 of 2 things or both:

1) The voter felt none of the candidates where worth voting for.

2) The voter intended to scribble outside the senate section in order to throw this ballot into question shoulda recount occur.

Does this make the voter stupid? Or just an asshole?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#3. I&rsquo;m sorry, but if you can&rsquo;t figure out that the candidates have circles by them inside the box and that there are no places to mark any candidate but Barkley outside the box, you&rsquo;re too damned stupid to vote.</p></blockquote>
<p>What if the voter was trying to convey 1 of 2 things or both:</p>
<p>1) The voter felt none of the candidates where worth voting for.</p>
<p>2) The voter intended to scribble outside the senate section in order to throw this ballot into question shoulda recount occur.</p>
<p>Does this make the voter stupid? Or just an asshole?</p>
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