The problem as I see it, is that the "lunatic fringe" is now no longer the fringe. There is a mainstream acceptance by many on the left that Saddam should still be in power. Indeed, many of them are running for President and getting much support.

These poeple will use any event no matter the cause or scope as evidence that we should not be there. Hell, when we got Uday and Qusay, people said that was another reason for us not to be there. (huh?)

These people have lost the ability to reason. For all of Mr. Peter's arguments -and he makes many good ones- there is a group of people that is unwilling to accept that the United States will be better off by stopping murderous dictators ESPECIALLY when they threaten us.

If they were the lunatic fring it would be one thing. But when they have a real chance of getting the Dem nomination it quits being funny.

IMO

Paul

I dunno. Most Democrats seem to be saying that they're glad we got rid of Saddam, they just opposed the war. Now, granted, we'd not have gotten rid of Saddam minus a war. . . .

It's also true that we had many of these anti-tyrant, nation building wars during the Clinton administration that were opposed by Republicans. And me, for that matter. So I'm wondering how much of this is simple rank partisanship rather than ideology.

You know, I can keep in my head the fact that "you" on the right actually have a soul and don't see things the same way as I do, and I try really, really, REALLY hard to not pigeon hole you into convenient traps. People like Paul seem to be complete robots, who don't seem to have the capability of seeing someone else's position unless it's viewed through the filter of Rush Limbaugh. It's amazing! This "Black n' White", either-or thinking is completely bizarre for me to witness. There can be absolutely no discussion while the "right" (note the quotes) consistently and deliberately distorts and makes up positions about the "left" which absolutely don't exist - except maybe as extreme fringes. I'm going to start categorizing all those on the "right" according to the thoughts and beliefs of the KKK or the Christian Militia movement. That's pretty much what "Paul" is consistently doing - and most of the "right wing" narrative - about the left. I understand it plays really well to the cheap seats, but unless it stops, this country is going to remain divided and unable to come to some agreement about the future.

When David Duke is polling at 30% of Republicans you are more than welcome to do that. The Dems are bound and determined to elect someone who wanted us to leave Saddam in power.

And yeah, I have a problem with that.

Lemme try these words...

The days of the Scoop Jackson Dem are over. Today even the "moderate" Dem is far, far left of where they were just 10 years ago. I DON'T need to call these people radical... Their behavior does it all the time.

(this is the first time I have mentioned this first, I never bring it up)

Look at Florida. (groan)

There is no possible way that legally Gore could have won. Even if he won in the supreme court he did not have the votes as documented MULTIPLE times. Yet you and others on the left reject reality and claim Bush was selected not elected. That does not make Bush look bad. That makes the Dems look bad when they say it.

Tell ya what...

You don't need to take my word for it that the Dems are moving too far to the left... Watch election results. The Dems had a strangle hold on power just 20 years ago. Now it is all gone. Did the 250 million or so people all change in just a few years or did the party?

You really should step back, take a breath and consider if I have a point.

Yes there are radicals on the right... But they are on the fringe... You guys are taking yours mainstream.

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