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	<title>Comments on: More Charges for Vick?</title>
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		<title>By: Animal Chaplain Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/more_charges_for_vick/comment-page-1/#comment-143756</link>
		<dc:creator>Animal Chaplain Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a sad commentary that we, as a culture, our using the Vick story to compare &quot;What&#039;s worse?&quot; &quot;What&#039;s worse&quot;, we ask, &quot; carelessly fathering illegitimate children, or dogfighting?&quot;. &quot;Dogfighting or rape?&quot; &quot;Dogfighting or racism?&quot; &quot;Dogfighting or hateful nationalism?&quot;  &quot;Dogfighting or (fill in the blank)....?&quot;

Dogfighting is one more piece of evidence our country is in need of a spiritual transformation (please note I said spiritual and not necessarily religious). Animals are sentient beings - they feel pain, and they suffer, just like we do. They are not more important, or less important than human beings, but like human beings, they are important, too. 

Every major faith teaches its followers to be responsible stewards of animals and the Earth. Please help us get the word out that caring for animals, just like caring for people, is an important part of just being a decent person and citizen. If we make this a priority, there will be no more dogfighting horror stories, and no more pointless comparisons of evils.  Let us all rise, together, to be better people than we are today, shall we?

Chaplain Nancy Cronk
Founder, AnimalChaplains.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a sad commentary that we, as a culture, our using the Vick story to compare "What's worse?" "What's worse", we ask, " carelessly fathering illegitimate children, or dogfighting?". "Dogfighting or rape?" "Dogfighting or racism?" "Dogfighting or hateful nationalism?"  "Dogfighting or (fill in the blank)....?"</p>
<p>Dogfighting is one more piece of evidence our country is in need of a spiritual transformation (please note I said spiritual and not necessarily religious). Animals are sentient beings - they feel pain, and they suffer, just like we do. They are not more important, or less important than human beings, but like human beings, they are important, too. </p>
<p>Every major faith teaches its followers to be responsible stewards of animals and the Earth. Please help us get the word out that caring for animals, just like caring for people, is an important part of just being a decent person and citizen. If we make this a priority, there will be no more dogfighting horror stories, and no more pointless comparisons of evils.  Let us all rise, together, to be better people than we are today, shall we?</p>
<p>Chaplain Nancy Cronk<br />
Founder, AnimalChaplains.com</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I can&#039;t argue against Eneils at all.

I will say, for the record, that this latest round of charges against him, raises this whole thing to a whole new level.  

If any of you have been watching the press conferences with Roger Goodell, you will see that this has gotten to the point where it is interfering with any serious discussion about football. Goodell&#039;s out there trying to raise interest in the new season, but is now spending all his time, seemingly, addressing the dogfighting issue. I made the observation last evening as regards an interview he conducted in the training camp of the Detroit Lions.  To say the very least, it was a painful affair to watch.  He keeps trying to bring the subject back to football, and the press keeps trying to push it towards the damage being done to the league by Michael Vick.  As a result, to my eye, Roger Goodell takes on the appearance of someone more interested in controlling damage than getting at the truth.  

At some point, and I suspect it will need to be very soon, the NFL is going to have to step up to this and deal with it if they want to come out with any credibility at all.  The league is on record as saying that they want to await the outcome of the legal processes.  On the surface, this seems laudable, but it seems to me a rather convenient dodge. Since when is the league required to wait until legal action is completed in such a clear-cut case?

In my view,  Roger Goodell is doing his damnedest to see Michael Vick in uniform at some point before the end of the season.  Clearly, his concern is about the money being lost.  The league has spent an awful lot of time and effort to turn Mr. Vick into the star power draw that he was as of the beginning of the summer.  

What, in my view, he seems to be missing , is that  star power no longer exists.  If the league does not act soon to separate Michael Vick from the NFL I suspect that the amount of fan dissatisfaction is going to cost him and the NFL as a whole, far more than what the loss of one of its star power creations.  

And I wonder, if Roger Goodell&#039;s logic has brought him quite that far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I can't argue against Eneils at all.</p>
<p>I will say, for the record, that this latest round of charges against him, raises this whole thing to a whole new level.  </p>
<p>If any of you have been watching the press conferences with Roger Goodell, you will see that this has gotten to the point where it is interfering with any serious discussion about football. Goodell's out there trying to raise interest in the new season, but is now spending all his time, seemingly, addressing the dogfighting issue. I made the observation last evening as regards an interview he conducted in the training camp of the Detroit Lions.  To say the very least, it was a painful affair to watch.  He keeps trying to bring the subject back to football, and the press keeps trying to push it towards the damage being done to the league by Michael Vick.  As a result, to my eye, Roger Goodell takes on the appearance of someone more interested in controlling damage than getting at the truth.  </p>
<p>At some point, and I suspect it will need to be very soon, the NFL is going to have to step up to this and deal with it if they want to come out with any credibility at all.  The league is on record as saying that they want to await the outcome of the legal processes.  On the surface, this seems laudable, but it seems to me a rather convenient dodge. Since when is the league required to wait until legal action is completed in such a clear-cut case?</p>
<p>In my view,  Roger Goodell is doing his damnedest to see Michael Vick in uniform at some point before the end of the season.  Clearly, his concern is about the money being lost.  The league has spent an awful lot of time and effort to turn Mr. Vick into the star power draw that he was as of the beginning of the summer.  </p>
<p>What, in my view, he seems to be missing , is that  star power no longer exists.  If the league does not act soon to separate Michael Vick from the NFL I suspect that the amount of fan dissatisfaction is going to cost him and the NFL as a whole, far more than what the loss of one of its star power creations.  </p>
<p>And I wonder, if Roger Goodell's logic has brought him quite that far.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be surprised if Vick spends time in prison and is able to make an NFL comeback.

First of all, Vick is not a player to base a franchise around. Physical skills are bountiful, intellectual capabilities have always been suspect.

As a scrambler, he is a lot like Fran Tarkenton,  maybe much better, how many Super Bowls did Tarkenton win?

He has always been at best an average short to medium passer, relying on his scrambling ability to buy enough time to open up long patterns.

Although his running and scrambling abilities exceed every quarterback in the NFL, he does not have the physical stamina or or physical makeup to take a constant pounding. 

Above average defenses coupled with an above average ground pounding game win Super Bowls.

A team with a player that would kill your little daughter&#039;s puppy do not and should not win Super Bowls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be surprised if Vick spends time in prison and is able to make an NFL comeback.</p>
<p>First of all, Vick is not a player to base a franchise around. Physical skills are bountiful, intellectual capabilities have always been suspect.</p>
<p>As a scrambler, he is a lot like Fran Tarkenton,  maybe much better, how many Super Bowls did Tarkenton win?</p>
<p>He has always been at best an average short to medium passer, relying on his scrambling ability to buy enough time to open up long patterns.</p>
<p>Although his running and scrambling abilities exceed every quarterback in the NFL, he does not have the physical stamina or or physical makeup to take a constant pounding. </p>
<p>Above average defenses coupled with an above average ground pounding game win Super Bowls.</p>
<p>A team with a player that would kill your little daughter's puppy do not and should not win Super Bowls.</p>
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