the thing is that there is a great amount of physical evidence that contradicts the accuser's story. She was gang-raped in three orifices, and they didn't wear condoms, and they ejaculated in her. Yet the DNA test only picked up her boyfriend's sperm. A finding which is just not possible.

According to the accuser, it was a violent assault, with physical restraint, scratching, and anal rape; yet she had no bruises, no bleeding or laceration, and none of the player's DNA under her fingernails. Again, this is simply not possible.

there are numerous timed photographs that paint a comprehensive picture of what happened when. These photographs prove that at least one of the accused simply could not have taken part, and tightly constrain what is possible with the others.

Oh, and there are a couple of policemen who can testify that one witness was "passed-out drunk".

Just guessing you won't want to address the objective evidence either...
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but i'm fair enough that if there was even a shred of physical evidence that anyone on the team did anything to her then i'd be willing to discount the players' testimony as lying for a buddy.

of course, there isn't a shred of physical evidence against anyone on the team, let alone the three guys that had the tail pinned on them.
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Why don’t you let the system work…because they are white kids? [/quote]
no, because they're demonstrably innocent. if the system had worked in the first place, the players would have been arrested before being indicted (as is the case almost always) - Nifong couldn't do that because it would have meant he's have to present evidence at a probable cause hearing. did the system work after Nifong promised that DNA results would show who's innocent? is the system working when the DA's office indicted three men without ever talking to the accuser, never even interviewing 2 of the 3 accused, refusing the players' offer to take polygraphs, refusing to hear evidence of their alibis, and never following up with the 2nd dancer to confirm Crystal's writeen statement (given a full month after the party)?

btw, i formally accuse you of raping me. the funny thing is that there's actually more evidence to my charge than Crystal's since at least i have only one version of my story, and there's not 37 eyewitnesses to dispute my account. there's exactly the same amount of physical evidence backing my charge as backing Crystal's. so i expect you not to complain when you have your mugshot plastered on every paper in the country and are branded a hooligam rapist. my identity will of course be protected. and you will have to sell your house to pay for a year's worth of lawyers, and you will be fired from your job. but at least you have principles -- you will allow the "system to work" and never raise your voice in your own defense.

[quote]I notice you mention only the individual crimes they were accused of…how about the # of times police have been called to the house they live in?[/quote]
just out of curiousity, is the duke lacrosse team on trial in durham, or is it three specific people? and by "they live in", who's they? only 1 or 3 defendants lived there. and as i mentioned previously, i believe dave evans should be imprisoned for life because he played some music too loud one wednesday night. good thing "the system" is working and they might get 30 years for drinking while 19.

Why don’t you let the system work...

Because the system doesn't appear to be working. Seligmann was reportedly caught on camera miles away from the scene of the alleged crime getting money from an ATM machine.

Then there was the final "photo line-up" where the only photos were of Duke lacrosse players. The accuser couldn't make a "wrong pick" in that case. The three she picked, whether guilty of anything or not, were going to be the ones facing charges. Standard police procedure is to include some "false images" in the line up to make sure that the accuser is picking the right people.

I notice you mention only the individual crimes they were accused of…how about the # of times police have been called to the house they live in?

Oh well then, they are obviously guilty...oh wait Seligmann didn't live at the house. So can the charges against him be dropped?

good point. Dave Evans was convicted of playing music a little too loud one night. Collin Finnerty was convicted of taunting a guy in a bar once that guy had started with his freind. Reade Seligmann was...well, hopefully he's gotten a traffic ticket at one point in his life.

They're obviously rapists.

And if you're going to weight the value of testimony then please let me know why the word of the 35 players or so at the party is more circumspect than one accuser's. Especially since every single shred of evidence (or lack of evidence) points to the honesty of the players and the dishonesty of the accuser.

So let me see...

So let me see...who gives a damn about this entire case? Some overprivileged college atheletes and strippers?!?!? It has about as much relevance as an episode of Survivor.