How so? Surely you are not saying the EMTs on a non emergency transport with no sirens shouldn’t have pulled over? Perhaps you are saying if you don’t like a LEO’s attitude then you should escalate the situation even to the point of it being dangerous instead of going through the proper channels to have him discipline?

However LEOs do work in a dangerous environment and civilians need to be compliant.

I had no idea that we lived in a police state and should do whatever we are told by LEOs...

I am not sure where you are coming from with that statement. Surely you don’t believe he was being profession or if he wasn’t he shouldn’t be punish. Perhaps you misread my statement and thought I said he “would” be punished. Yes LEOs like many professions such as teachers are hard to fire\discipline because of powerful organizations backing them. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t’ be punish or that people shouldn’t try to break that system. Understandably these profession are difficult to monitor since there are always complaints about them with most of the complaints being unfounded. Unfounded complaints contribute to the problem with punishing misdeeds and that why we should be careful not to do that.

I person should feel free to not give permission for searches or video tape police while working in most cases. Videotaping security procedures for such things as protecting the President is one exception. The problem with most people is that they think are always in the right and get belligerent with the police without any consideration to the LEO’s responsibilities in maintaining a safe environment. It is easy to lose control of a situation when people are being belligerent.

An LEO has special responsibilities therefore have special rights. They can conduct an unwarranted search if they believe there is imminent danger. Anyone interfering with search even if they are in the right for not having the search conducted are in the wrong for interfering with the Officer. If the Officer is wrong for conducting the search, they should be punished though the proper channels.

That said so far it sounds like the Officer was not professional and “if” the dashboard camera shows he was out of line, he should be punish.

And I believe in the Tooth Fairy.

I am one of those if a LEO is caught abusing his power he should be fired and charges brought against him.

If only this were true. Usually the LEO has the backing by his superiours, peers, union, and city officials, even when there is pretty good evidence that the LEO is deserving of being fired.

However LEOs do work in a dangerous environment and civilians need to be compliant.

Uhhmmmm no. Us mere civilians have rights and we should be allowed to exercise them even with police officers. This includes photographing the police while working, video tapping them, and even refusing some of their demands if there is justification to do so (e.g. producing ID, granting permission for searches, etc.). To always be compliant is to live in a police state and I reject it completely.

The EMS deal should have been easy situation to solve. They weren’t running lights so unless they miss up, it was a non emergency transport which mean they had time to talk to the Officer. The fact that more than just the driver was talking to the Officer makes me wonder if the EMT was pushing the matter as well That said the Officer should have look and saw the patient then told the EMS crew to watch their mirrors in the future. The crew should have said yes sir and everybody go on their way, although the better way would have been for the Officer who sounds like a hothead to let it go with the radio comments. Hopefully they review more than the one incident on his dashboard cam. If he is a hothead he needs to be fired.

So, when did we start believing this?
Cop = Civilian on patrol
To Serve and protect

I don't know ask the cops, its their mindset, not mine.

Sarg,

Yes, I agree...in a perfect world the ambulance moves to the side to let the police car go by. We don't live there and people make mistakes, dumb mistakes, honest mistakes, etc. The police should not have acted the way they did, it was excessive and stupid.

AIP,

I'm going with the EMT right now. I'd love to see what the dashboard camera shows, but I'm thinking it wont be released...which will tell me it cuts against the cops.

So, when did we start believing this?

It's not that we believe it, floyd. It's that many LEOs appear to believe it.

Cop = Civilian on patrol

I thought that was constable on patrol.
Remember, there's cops and there's little people.