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		<title>By: just me</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/most_youth_ineligible_for_army/comment-page-1/#comment-116175</link>
		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asthma is disqualifying for the Navy (although if diagnosed after entry it doesn&#039;t require a medical discharge-my husband was roomates with a guy who was diagnosed post boot camp).

&lt;i&gt;So, my guess is that either more people are experimenting with illicit drugs or are too fat.&lt;/i&gt;

I would also add that a diagnosis such as ADD or ADHD (or other similar disorder) where the graduate is still taking medications disqualifies them from service.  These diagnosis have been on the rise for years, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there is a higher percentage of graduates with the diagnosis than there was 5 or 10 years ago.  A person can get into the military with these diagnosis, but they have to have been off their medications for I think 5 years before they attempt to enlist.

I do think competeing with college is a problem for any branch of the military with regards to recruitment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asthma is disqualifying for the Navy (although if diagnosed after entry it doesn't require a medical discharge-my husband was roomates with a guy who was diagnosed post boot camp).</p>
<p><i>So, my guess is that either more people are experimenting with illicit drugs or are too fat.</i></p>
<p>I would also add that a diagnosis such as ADD or ADHD (or other similar disorder) where the graduate is still taking medications disqualifies them from service.  These diagnosis have been on the rise for years, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a higher percentage of graduates with the diagnosis than there was 5 or 10 years ago.  A person can get into the military with these diagnosis, but they have to have been off their medications for I think 5 years before they attempt to enlist.</p>
<p>I do think competeing with college is a problem for any branch of the military with regards to recruitment.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

All good points.

I&#039;m sure the survey is of the state of the age pool as is.  Certainly, someone sufficiently motivated to join the Army could lose weight, but that wouldn&#039;t be reflected in a cohort study.

I&#039;d certainly prefer the Army lower its standards as to how many joints a person has smoked in his lifetime rather than the IQ standard.  

And, yes, I&#039;m pretty sure asthma and diabetes are disqualifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>All good points.</p>
<p>I'm sure the survey is of the state of the age pool as is.  Certainly, someone sufficiently motivated to join the Army could lose weight, but that wouldn't be reflected in a cohort study.</p>
<p>I'd certainly prefer the Army lower its standards as to how many joints a person has smoked in his lifetime rather than the IQ standard.  </p>
<p>And, yes, I'm pretty sure asthma and diabetes are disqualifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Truth and Hope Report: A Little Goes A Long Wa...&lt;/strong&gt;

Tonight we talk about what links abortion, illegal immigration, social security, and a decline in military recruitment and the decline in Civic involvement. Paul &quot;The Voice&quot; Stanton calls in to sing the praises of Zell Miller and the second Amendment...</description>
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<p>Tonight we talk about what links abortion, illegal immigration, social security, and a decline in military recruitment and the decline in Civic involvement. Paul "The Voice" Stanton calls in to sing the praises of Zell Miller and the second Amendment...</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Henley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in those long-lost days of late 2001, many libertarians imagined that, surely, the government would have to choose between waging an all-out terror war and waging an all-out drug war. Instead, the government not only tried to do both, it tried strenuously to tie the one to the other.

Oh well!

Also in the &quot;morally unfit&quot; category: every gay kid in America, according to the military anyway.

The &quot;fat&quot; thing I don&#039;t understand, though. Isn&#039;t basic a pretty effective weight-loss program? I&#039;d think a fat kid who really wanted to join the Army could motivate himself to lose weight and run that eight-minute mile. Question: Are childhood diabetes and asthma disqualifiers? Perhaps the incidence of diseases like that are what&#039;s going up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in those long-lost days of late 2001, many libertarians imagined that, surely, the government would have to choose between waging an all-out terror war and waging an all-out drug war. Instead, the government not only tried to do both, it tried strenuously to tie the one to the other.</p>
<p>Oh well!</p>
<p>Also in the "morally unfit" category: every gay kid in America, according to the military anyway.</p>
<p>The "fat" thing I don't understand, though. Isn't basic a pretty effective weight-loss program? I'd think a fat kid who really wanted to join the Army could motivate himself to lose weight and run that eight-minute mile. Question: Are childhood diabetes and asthma disqualifiers? Perhaps the incidence of diseases like that are what's going up.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I must&#039;ve blanked on that para. Or maybe just subconciously agreed :-)

YAJ, you point out that the Army is meeting its goals now, but haven&#039;t those goals themselves been lowered in recent years? And also - just wanting to go to college ain&#039;t enough; you have to have increasingly greater sums of cash to get there. I would expect the offer of GI Bill $$, tuition reimbursement, ROTC scholarships, etc. to balance out the greater percentage of HS grads with college in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I must've blanked on that para. Or maybe just subconciously agreed :-)</p>
<p>YAJ, you point out that the Army is meeting its goals now, but haven't those goals themselves been lowered in recent years? And also - just wanting to go to college ain't enough; you have to have increasingly greater sums of cash to get there. I would expect the offer of GI Bill $$, tuition reimbursement, ROTC scholarships, etc. to balance out the greater percentage of HS grads with college in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/0-ARMYPAPER-1952785.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2006 article &lt;/a&gt;that goes into a bit more on what constitutes &quot;eligible&quot; as opposed to ineligible but can get in with a waiver.

Prior to some of the changes, the pool was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coxwashington.com/reporters/content/reporters/stories/2005/09/23/BC_MILITARY_RECRUITS23_COX.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;42% eligible&lt;/a&gt;. It is also good to keep in mind that at 42% eligible, the army failed to meet its recruitment goal in 2004. At 27% eligible, they met their goal in 2006. 

The 2004 numbers had 24 million youth between 16 and 21. 14 million ineligible, 6 million of the remaining 10 million going on to college (and presumably eligible when they graduate or decide college isn&#039;t for them) and this leaves 4 million who are eligible and not going on to college for whatever reason.

Given that the Army wants at least 60% of its recruits in the top half of the mental distribution (which you would think that top half is mostly going on to college), you start to get a feel for how hard it is to meet the recruitment goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a <a href="http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/0-ARMYPAPER-1952785.php" rel="nofollow">2006 article </a>that goes into a bit more on what constitutes "eligible" as opposed to ineligible but can get in with a waiver.</p>
<p>Prior to some of the changes, the pool was <a href="http://www.coxwashington.com/reporters/content/reporters/stories/2005/09/23/BC_MILITARY_RECRUITS23_COX.html" rel="nofollow">42% eligible</a>. It is also good to keep in mind that at 42% eligible, the army failed to meet its recruitment goal in 2004. At 27% eligible, they met their goal in 2006. </p>
<p>The 2004 numbers had 24 million youth between 16 and 21. 14 million ineligible, 6 million of the remaining 10 million going on to college (and presumably eligible when they graduate or decide college isn't for them) and this leaves 4 million who are eligible and not going on to college for whatever reason.</p>
<p>Given that the Army wants at least 60% of its recruits in the top half of the mental distribution (which you would think that top half is mostly going on to college), you start to get a feel for how hard it is to meet the recruitment goals.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I wonder what the breakout among those categories was - are kids less fit, dumber, or more likely to have a criminal record these days?&lt;/em&gt;

Great minds apparently think alike.  (See second paragraph of the above post.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I wonder what the breakout among those categories was - are kids less fit, dumber, or more likely to have a criminal record these days?</em></p>
<p>Great minds apparently think alike.  (See second paragraph of the above post.)</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Given that we have an all-volunteer force and are in the middle of a long war, recruiting is naturally difficult.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
True, but the standards of &quot;morally, intellectually or physically&quot; fit ought to be reasonably static. I wonder what the breakout among those categories was - are kids less fit, dumber, or more likely to have a criminal record these days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given that we have an all-volunteer force and are in the middle of a long war, recruiting is naturally difficult.</p></blockquote>
<p>True, but the standards of "morally, intellectually or physically" fit ought to be reasonably static. I wonder what the breakout among those categories was - are kids less fit, dumber, or more likely to have a criminal record these days?</p>
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		<title>By: Going to the Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Going to the Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;as part of a larger, 24 year long war on terror, only we didn&#039;t realize it then. He draws a strong correlation to the Cold War. See more over at Newsbusters. I think Koppel may be the highest profile newsman to make the connection so explicitly.  5. Outside the Beltway&#039;s James Joyner is commenting on a recent Army report that nearly 75% of America&#039;s teenagers are unfit for Army service, that is they are &quot;morally, intellectually or physically&quot; unfit for service. Joyner notes another problem: &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->as part of a larger, 24 year long war on terror, only we didn't realize it then. He draws a strong correlation to the Cold War. See more over at Newsbusters. I think Koppel may be the highest profile newsman to make the connection so explicitly.  5. Outside the Beltway's James Joyner is commenting on a recent Army report that nearly 75% of America's teenagers are unfit for Army service, that is they are "morally, intellectually or physically" unfit for service. Joyner notes another problem: <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By:  Townhall.com - The Idaho Conservative </title>
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		<dc:creator> Townhall.com - The Idaho Conservative </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; to download.   [IMG]  [IMG]  alt=&quot;Play my show on your website or your social network.&quot;  Pro-Life Blogs:  Zell Miller: Abortion Decimating Our Population  Guttmacher Questions HPV Mandate  Outside the Beltway:  Most Youth Inelligible for Army  Human Events:  The Numbers on Moral Decline  Clayton Cramer:  It Is Not Okay to Leave Post-Fetal Tissue on the Streets, I Guess  &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%--> to download.   [IMG]  [IMG]  alt="Play my show on your website or your social network."  Pro-Life Blogs:  Zell Miller: Abortion Decimating Our Population  Guttmacher Questions HPV Mandate  Outside the Beltway:  Most Youth Inelligible for Army  Human Events:  The Numbers on Moral Decline  Clayton Cramer:  It Is Not Okay to Leave Post-Fetal Tissue on the Streets, I Guess  <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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