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	<title>Comments on: Mumbai, Bombay, and Imperialism</title>
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		<title>By: Joe R.</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mumbai_bombay_and_imperialism/comment-page-1/#comment-533344</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve been calling it Mumbai the last week or so but had previously called it Bombay mostly on the grounds that I think it&#039;s silly to keep changing the names of well-established places.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That pretty much nails it.  Or, looking at it another way, we don&#039;t call other cities by their local names.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The argument is a little different, DCL. When the city was built it was called “Saint Petersburg” and it remained that way for a couple of hundred years. The Bolsheviks changed it to Leningrad. After the USSR collapsed the Russians changed it back.

The city in India had never been called “Mumbai” except in the imaginations of a few nationalists. Bombay comes from the Portuguese for a “good port”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You&#039;ve actually come across the best solution, which is to use &quot;St. Petersburg&quot; and &quot;Bombay&quot; so that &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy_for_the_Devil&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sympathy For The Devil&lt;/a&gt; still makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I've been calling it Mumbai the last week or so but had previously called it Bombay mostly on the grounds that I think it's silly to keep changing the names of well-established places.</p></blockquote>
<p>That pretty much nails it.  Or, looking at it another way, we don't call other cities by their local names.</p>
<blockquote><p>The argument is a little different, DCL. When the city was built it was called “Saint Petersburg” and it remained that way for a couple of hundred years. The Bolsheviks changed it to Leningrad. After the USSR collapsed the Russians changed it back.</p>
<p>The city in India had never been called “Mumbai” except in the imaginations of a few nationalists. Bombay comes from the Portuguese for a “good port”.</p></blockquote>
<p>You've actually come across the best solution, which is to use "St. Petersburg" and "Bombay" so that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy_for_the_Devil" rel="nofollow">Sympathy For The Devil</a> still makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mumbai_bombay_and_imperialism/comment-page-1/#comment-532907</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama Way, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama Way, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about TICFKAS (the Indian City Formerly Known as Bombay)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about TICFKAS (the Indian City Formerly Known as Bombay)?</p>
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		<title>By: hln</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mumbai_bombay_and_imperialism/comment-page-1/#comment-532437</link>
		<dc:creator>hln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beijing duck anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beijing duck anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/mumbai_bombay_and_imperialism/comment-page-1/#comment-532419</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the folks in India want to use Mumbai, what is the problem with us respecting that? I don&#039;t think they should have any say in naming our cities, or we in theirs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the folks in India want to use Mumbai, what is the problem with us respecting that? I don't think they should have any say in naming our cities, or we in theirs...</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care what the Indians call their cities and I don&#039;t think any of the commenters who commented above or bloggers cited above do, either.  That&#039;s not what&#039;s being discussed.  What&#039;s being discussed is what Britons, Americans, Australians, and Canadians call Indian cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't care what the Indians call their cities and I don't think any of the commenters who commented above or bloggers cited above do, either.  That's not what's being discussed.  What's being discussed is what Britons, Americans, Australians, and Canadians call Indian cities.</p>
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		<title>By: xbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>xbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are any of these guys listed above Indians? If not, then who gives a f*** what they want to call the city? Indians decide what they want to call it. How about Indians starting a campaign to call USA....United States of A**holes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are any of these guys listed above Indians? If not, then who gives a f*** what they want to call the city? Indians decide what they want to call it. How about Indians starting a campaign to call USA....United States of A**holes?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument is a little different, DCL.  When the city was built it was called &#147;Saint Petersburg&#148; and it remained that way for a couple of hundred years.  The Bolsheviks changed it to Leningrad.  After the USSR collapsed the Russians changed it back.

The city in India had never been called &#147;Mumbai&#148; except in the imaginations of a few nationalists.  Bombay comes from the Portuguese for a &#147;good port&#148;.

I see no particular reason for English speakers to try to call foreign places by the names the people who live there use when we&#039;ve got accepted English names for them.  Otherwise we&#039;d be saying &#147;Sankt Pehtehrsboorg&#148; (to use the example above), &#147;Paree&#148;, and &#147;Roma&#148;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument is a little different, DCL.  When the city was built it was called &#8220;Saint Petersburg&#8221; and it remained that way for a couple of hundred years.  The Bolsheviks changed it to Leningrad.  After the USSR collapsed the Russians changed it back.</p>
<p>The city in India had never been called &#8220;Mumbai&#8221; except in the imaginations of a few nationalists.  Bombay comes from the Portuguese for a &#8220;good port&#8221;.</p>
<p>I see no particular reason for English speakers to try to call foreign places by the names the people who live there use when we've got accepted English names for them.  Otherwise we'd be saying &#8220;Sankt Pehtehrsboorg&#8221; (to use the example above), &#8220;Paree&#8221;, and &#8220;Roma&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s to decide?  Shall we revert St. Petersburg back to Leningrad?  That was perfectly fine name for many years, as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who's to decide?  Shall we revert St. Petersburg back to Leningrad?  That was perfectly fine name for many years, as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been calling it &lt;em&gt;Mumbai&lt;/em&gt; the last week or so but had previously called it &lt;em&gt;Bombay&lt;/em&gt; mostly on the grounds that I think it&#039;s silly to keep changing the names of well-established places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been calling it <em>Mumbai</em> the last week or so but had previously called it <em>Bombay</em> mostly on the grounds that I think it's silly to keep changing the names of well-established places.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll happily follow whatever the OTB writing standards are on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll happily follow whatever the OTB writing standards are on the subject.</p>
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