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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_american_innocence/comment-page-1/#comment-101105</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cernig,

Quoting The Prince doesn&#039;t constitute an endorsement of aristocracy. I&#039;m merely quoting Machiavelli on his assessment of human nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cernig,</p>
<p>Quoting The Prince doesn't constitute an endorsement of aristocracy. I'm merely quoting Machiavelli on his assessment of human nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_american_innocence/comment-page-1/#comment-100967</link>
		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, oh James,

There should be a version of Godwin&#039;s law that says whenever representative democracies and their relationships are being discussed, the first person to mention Machiavelli in a positive way loses the argument.

Because, of course, Japan, the UK, Canada and all the other nations who have been lauded for joining Bush&#039;s failed occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan did so only out of fear, right? 

And come to think of it, the problem with fear is that, at the first sign of weakness, your fearful allies turn on you - as happened with the Soviet satellites as the great bear slumped - or become double-agents as has happened with Pakistan&#039;s &quot;joining&quot; the effort to deal with Islamist extremist terrorism.

If you want a far better explanation of why America presents an ever-changing foreign policy face to the world, then Dave Schuler at The Glittering Eye has it right - not a failed renaissance politico.

Anyway, since when did those the American public elected to &lt;i&gt;work for them&lt;/i&gt; become Princes? The Founders, I hope and believe, would prefer us all to strive to remember that &lt;a href=&quot;http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2006/05/mans-man-for-that.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Man&#039;s A Man For All That&lt;/a&gt;.

You see yonder fellow called &#039;a lord,&#039;
Who struts, and stares, and all that?
Though hundreds worship at his word,
He is but a dolt for all that.
For all that, and all that,
His ribboned, star, and all that,
The man of independent mind,
He looks and laughs at all that.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, oh James,</p>
<p>There should be a version of Godwin's law that says whenever representative democracies and their relationships are being discussed, the first person to mention Machiavelli in a positive way loses the argument.</p>
<p>Because, of course, Japan, the UK, Canada and all the other nations who have been lauded for joining Bush's failed occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan did so only out of fear, right? </p>
<p>And come to think of it, the problem with fear is that, at the first sign of weakness, your fearful allies turn on you - as happened with the Soviet satellites as the great bear slumped - or become double-agents as has happened with Pakistan's "joining" the effort to deal with Islamist extremist terrorism.</p>
<p>If you want a far better explanation of why America presents an ever-changing foreign policy face to the world, then Dave Schuler at The Glittering Eye has it right - not a failed renaissance politico.</p>
<p>Anyway, since when did those the American public elected to <i>work for them</i> become Princes? The Founders, I hope and believe, would prefer us all to strive to remember that <a href="http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2006/05/mans-man-for-that.html" rel="nofollow">A Man's A Man For All That</a>.</p>
<p>You see yonder fellow called 'a lord,'<br />
Who struts, and stares, and all that?<br />
Though hundreds worship at his word,<br />
He is but a dolt for all that.<br />
For all that, and all that,<br />
His ribboned, star, and all that,<br />
The man of independent mind,<br />
He looks and laughs at all that.</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How do we reconcile the gap between our preferred self-image and this historical reality?&quot; People cannot remain sane without rationalization; the same is true of nations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"How do we reconcile the gap between our preferred self-image and this historical reality?" People cannot remain sane without rationalization; the same is true of nations</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? 

Loved? No, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessary. But we need to be respected, which we no longer are.

Feared? Well, fear is an interesting thing. Fear could say, drive a dictator or two to conclude that they need to have nukes to protect them from America. Oh wait, that&#039;s already happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? </p>
<p>Loved? No, I don't think that's necessary. But we need to be respected, which we no longer are.</p>
<p>Feared? Well, fear is an interesting thing. Fear could say, drive a dictator or two to conclude that they need to have nukes to protect them from America. Oh wait, that's already happening.</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kagan vs. Kagan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_american_innocence/comment-page-1/#comment-100897</link>
		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kagan vs. Kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner draws our attention to an article by Robert Kagan in the New Republic which makes the argument that the United States has, indeed, historically been expansionist and notes the contrast to another article from 1998, also be Robert Kagan. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner draws our attention to an article by Robert Kagan in the New Republic which makes the argument that the United States has, indeed, historically been expansionist and notes the contrast to another article from 1998, also be Robert Kagan. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is making the contention that everyone has been happy with the US in the 20th century, but we have always had allies who were willing to come to our aid.  Some people will probably always not like us as a country, but Bush and his administration have managed to piss off the people who have traditionally stood by our side.  That&#039;s were the damage has been done.  No country on earth is more similar to us than Great Britain, but when you see that even their electorate has turned against us, something is out of whack, and it portends to greater problems with the people who have been lukewarm or disliked us just a bit.  You have to make Bush responsible for a good deal of the worsening of our relationships with other friendly  parts of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is making the contention that everyone has been happy with the US in the 20th century, but we have always had allies who were willing to come to our aid.  Some people will probably always not like us as a country, but Bush and his administration have managed to piss off the people who have traditionally stood by our side.  That's were the damage has been done.  No country on earth is more similar to us than Great Britain, but when you see that even their electorate has turned against us, something is out of whack, and it portends to greater problems with the people who have been lukewarm or disliked us just a bit.  You have to make Bush responsible for a good deal of the worsening of our relationships with other friendly  parts of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: The Newshoggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Newshoggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;There should be a version of Godwin&#039;s law that says whenever representative democracies and their relationships are being discussed, the first person to mention Machiavelli in a positive way loses the argument.    James Joyner&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->There should be a version of Godwin's law that says whenever representative democracies and their relationships are being discussed, the first person to mention Machiavelli in a positive way loses the argument.    James Joyner<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Blogniscient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogniscient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Instapundit &#124; #10/15/2006 19:49:40#    HEY, MAYBE THIS IS AN ARGUMENT FOR GAY MARRIAGE:&quot;Married couples, whose numbers have been declining for decades as a proportion of American households,...  [IMG Right] Myth of American Innocence &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Instapundit | #10/15/2006 19:49:40#    HEY, MAYBE THIS IS AN ARGUMENT FOR GAY MARRIAGE:"Married couples, whose numbers have been declining for decades as a proportion of American households,...  [IMG Right] Myth of American Innocence <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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