Comments on: Myth of the Underprivileged Soldier http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:07:43 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: LJD http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66347 LJD Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:27:34 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66347 Oh, I thought you were talking about the long list of Democrats who "voted FOR it BEFORE the voted against it..." Oh, I thought you were talking about the long list of Democrats who "voted FOR it BEFORE the voted against it..."

]]> By: anjin-san http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66305 anjin-san Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:30:47 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66305 You know LJD whining is very unbecoming in a grown man... Democrats who served: Tom Daschle: 1st Lt. Air Force Bob Kerry Lt. JG, Navy. Medal of Honor Daniel Inouyt, Army, Medal of Honor John Kerry, Lt. Navy, Highly decorated, slimed by Rove. Charles Rangel Staff Sgt. Army, Bronze Star Max Cleland Captain Army, Silver & Bronze star Ted Kennedy, Army Tom Harkin, Lt. Navy & Navy Reserve Fritz Hollings, Army, Bronze Star The list is pretty frigging long and I have to get back to work. LDJ go buy some hankies... You know LJD whining is very unbecoming in a grown man...

Democrats who served:
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt. Air Force
Bob Kerry Lt. JG, Navy. Medal of Honor
Daniel Inouyt, Army, Medal of Honor
John Kerry, Lt. Navy, Highly decorated, slimed by Rove.
Charles Rangel Staff Sgt. Army, Bronze Star
Max Cleland Captain Army, Silver & Bronze star
Ted Kennedy, Army
Tom Harkin, Lt. Navy & Navy Reserve
Fritz Hollings, Army, Bronze Star

The list is pretty frigging long and I have to get back to work. LDJ go buy some hankies...

]]> By: LJD http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66281 LJD Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:58:48 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66281 Oh,, I was just adressing the comment: "I would be glad to provide a list of Democrats who served with distinction, its pretty long" You were pedaling bullshit and got caught. Now you're backpedaling... I raised my right hand, and "volunteered" myself to be sent (and was) anywhere the country needed me, in a combat unit. You, have not, STFU. Oh,, I was just adressing the comment:

"I would be glad to provide a list of Democrats who served with distinction, its pretty long"

You were pedaling bullshit and got caught. Now you're backpedaling...

I raised my right hand, and "volunteered" myself to be sent (and was) anywhere the country needed me, in a combat unit.

You, have not, STFU.

]]> By: anjin-san http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66276 anjin-san Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:25:17 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66276 Sorry LJD the fact is, the people who led us into this war did not serve. And most of them were of service age at a time when we were at war. Say LJD when are you voulenteering for Iraq combat? Or are you just a cheerleader? Talk about weenies... Sorry LJD the fact is, the people who led us into this war did not serve. And most of them were of service age at a time when we were at war.

Say LJD when are you voulenteering for Iraq combat? Or are you just a cheerleader?

Talk about weenies...

]]> By: LJD http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66235 LJD Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:27:38 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66235 Zen_more and Devil's Advocacate: you may want to be more careful with your generalizations. The STORY in the USA Today is from associates of the Heritage foundation, in fact two miltary veterans. But the study was conducted by the DOD. Anjin, you are a weenie. Just keep twisting the facts to fit into your warped view of the world. I count (roughly) 72 of 121 veterans in the House to be Republicans, and 18 of 35 Senators. What you should be more concerned with is the small percentage of the total number, from EITHER party. Just curious, what is the military experience of these posters? None? Well, you know what they say about people in glass houses. Zen_more and Devil's Advocacate: you may want to be more careful with your generalizations. The STORY in the USA Today is from associates of the Heritage foundation, in fact two miltary veterans. But the study was conducted by the DOD.

Anjin, you are a weenie. Just keep twisting the facts to fit into your warped view of the world. I count (roughly) 72 of 121 veterans in the House to be Republicans, and 18 of 35 Senators. What you should be more concerned with is the small percentage of the total number, from EITHER party.

Just curious, what is the military experience of these posters? None? Well, you know what they say about people in glass houses.

]]> By: Devil's Advocate http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66233 Devil's Advocate Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:54:22 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66233 The Heritage Foundation is a right-wing think-tank. The "studies" that it produces are always intended to further the right-wing agenda. In any event, why does it matter? Are you so desperate that you are reduced to reading the tea leaves to support a war that the majority of the American public now oppose? The Heritage Foundation is a right-wing think-tank. The "studies" that it produces are always intended to further the right-wing agenda.

In any event, why does it matter? Are you so desperate that you are reduced to reading the tea leaves to support a war that the majority of the American public now oppose?

]]> By: anjin-san http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66217 anjin-san Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:05:40 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66217 Herb you seem to think service is an important thing. How do you feel about the service record of the GOP leadership? (plus a few fellow travelers). Dick Cheney: Did not serve Tom Delay: Did not serve Bill Frist: Did not serve Mitch McConnell: Did not serve Rick Santorum: Did not serve Trent Lott: Did not serve John Ashcroft: Did not serve (seven deferments) Jeb Bush: Did not serve Karl Rove: Did not serve Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve Richard Perle: Did not serve Eliot Abrams: Did not serve Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve George Pataki: Did not serve Sean Hannity: Did not serve Rush Limbaugh: Did not serve Micheal Savage: Did not serve Pat Buchanan: Did not serve Bill Kristol: Did not serve Clarence Thomas: Did not serve I would be glad to provide a list of Democrats who served with distinction, its pretty long. Herb you seem to think service is an important thing. How do you feel about the service record of the GOP leadership? (plus a few fellow travelers).

Dick Cheney: Did not serve
Tom Delay: Did not serve
Bill Frist: Did not serve
Mitch McConnell: Did not serve
Rick Santorum: Did not serve
Trent Lott: Did not serve
John Ashcroft: Did not serve (seven deferments)
Jeb Bush: Did not serve
Karl Rove: Did not serve
Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve
Richard Perle: Did not serve
Eliot Abrams: Did not serve
Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve
George Pataki: Did not serve
Sean Hannity: Did not serve
Rush Limbaugh: Did not serve
Micheal Savage: Did not serve
Pat Buchanan: Did not serve
Bill Kristol: Did not serve
Clarence Thomas: Did not serve

I would be glad to provide a list of Democrats who served with distinction, its pretty long.

]]> By: Herb http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66189 Herb Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:06:26 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66189 Looks like the average military is not the dumb cluck that MSM portreys them as. Their intelligence also helps them to "See Through" the anti war cut and run, left wing extremist liberal croud that thinks of them as stupid for protecting the country for those candy a**es that are to selfish and self centered to serve. Looks like the average military is not the dumb cluck that MSM portreys them as. Their intelligence also helps them to "See Through" the anti war cut and run, left wing extremist liberal croud that thinks of them as stupid for protecting the country for those candy a**es that are to selfish and self centered to serve.

]]> By: jane http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66169 jane Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:16:57 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66169 As for location it is interesting that the cliche people like you pursue is that urban, liberal regions don't carry their burden. http://icasualties.org/oif/images/US_City.jpg It's just like Republicans talking about self sufficiency when their states typically take in more than they pay in taxes while dem states or opposites or Republicans talking about morality when the conservative south has 3 times the muder rate of the liberal northeast. As for location it is interesting that the cliche people like you pursue is that urban, liberal regions don't carry their burden.

http://icasualties.org/oif/images/US_City.jpg

It's just like Republicans talking about self sufficiency when their states typically take in more than they pay in taxes while dem states or opposites or Republicans talking about morality when the conservative south has 3 times the muder rate of the liberal northeast.

]]> By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66168 James Joyner Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:12:08 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66168 jane: Read the Related articles highlighted. jane: Read the Related articles highlighted.

]]> By: jane http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66166 jane Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:07:20 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66166 This isn't a particularly new story and the fact that you haven't sen articles stating that most soldiers come from the lower middle and middle middle or working classes or that most of those in combat positions are among the most priviledged of these groups(those looking for skills take support positions) simply shows you don't read the MSM. That a large proportion don't look at the real numbers is typically, but it applies to so many things. I fault the MSM for not focusing too much on detail and background, but then again the publications that do have low circulation. And yes many journalists buy into both leftwing and rightwing cliches, but that shows that like you they don't really look and analyze. It's fairly amazing that given the potential crisis developing in the military (a story barely covered) that any "informed" person would not have picked up some accurate detail on the composition of the military. But this is how the human mnd works. If you read the papers the facts have been before you before, but you haven't seen them. This isn't a particularly new story and the fact that you haven't sen articles stating that most soldiers come from the lower middle and middle middle or working classes or that most of those in combat positions are among the most priviledged of these groups(those looking for skills take support positions) simply shows you don't read the MSM.

That a large proportion don't look at the real numbers is typically, but it applies to so many things. I fault the MSM for not focusing too much on detail and background, but then again the publications that do have low circulation.

And yes many journalists buy into both leftwing and rightwing cliches, but that shows that like you they don't really look and analyze. It's fairly amazing that given the potential crisis developing in the military (a story barely covered) that any "informed" person would not have picked up some accurate detail on the composition of the military.

But this is how the human mnd works. If you read the papers the facts have been before you before, but you haven't seen them.

]]> By: zen_more http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66158 zen_more Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:50:41 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66158 Oh the Heritage Foundation. Now THERE's a really objective source. They probably couldn't find the recruits from poor neighborhoods, because they have no idea where the poor neighborhoods are. Oh the Heritage Foundation. Now THERE's a really objective source. They probably couldn't find the recruits from poor neighborhoods, because they have no idea where the poor neighborhoods are.

]]> By: anjin-san http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66157 anjin-san Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:49:14 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66157 I have no doubt there are people who have some money serving in uniform (just not Bush's or Rumsfeld's kids). It is the percentages quoted in the article that give me pause. I guess wealth is also a relative thing. An earlier poster mentioned 300k houses, around here that won't even buy you a shack. I have no doubt there are people who have some money serving in uniform (just not Bush's or Rumsfeld's kids).

It is the percentages quoted in the article that give me pause. I guess wealth is also a relative thing. An earlier poster mentioned 300k houses, around here that won't even buy you a shack.

]]> By: djneylon http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66153 djneylon Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:27:33 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66153 "recruits from the richest neighborhoods" -- believe it or not, there are people of wealth who believe in serving their country in uniform. Further just because one lives in a "wealthy" zip code, it doesn't mean your wealthy -- a few years back, I lived in a suburban Detroit area where new houses started at $300,000 -- the house I and most of the neighbors I had lived in would have priced around $100,000 if the buyer was generous.... "recruits from the richest neighborhoods" -- believe it or not, there are people of wealth who believe in serving their country in uniform. Further just because one lives in a "wealthy" zip code, it doesn't mean your wealthy -- a few years back, I lived in a suburban Detroit area where new houses started at $300,000 -- the house I and most of the neighbors I had lived in would have priced around $100,000 if the buyer was generous....

]]> By: John Gillnitz http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/myth_of_the_underprivileged_soldier/comment-page-1/#comment-66138 John Gillnitz Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:06 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/?p=12780#comment-66138 The poor dumb solider line is really stupid. Everyone I know in the military is well off financially. They joined because, in their family, it is a proud tradition. I don't know to many people in the general population that can retire after 20 years with a six figure skill set. The poor dumb solider line is really stupid. Everyone I know in the military is well off financially. They joined because, in their family, it is a proud tradition. I don't know to many people in the general population that can retire after 20 years with a six figure skill set.

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