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		<title>By: Home Inspector California</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/natos_not_winning_in_afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-278698</link>
		<dc:creator>Home Inspector California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Becoming A Home Inspector: What the Home Inspection Schools Won&apos;t Tell You...&lt;/strong&gt;

Chances are if you&#039;re reading this you&#039;ve thought about becoming a home inspector. You may have even seen the ads that say you can make hundreds of dollars a day as a home inspector. Home inspection schools put many of these ads out. They paint a ros...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Becoming A Home Inspector: What the Home Inspection Schools Won&apos;t Tell You...</strong></p>
<p>Chances are if you're reading this you've thought about becoming a home inspector. You may have even seen the ads that say you can make hundreds of dollars a day as a home inspector. Home inspection schools put many of these ads out. They paint a ros...</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not certain of how to answer your questions, Trevor.  As I said in the comment linked above I think the alternatives are, basically, stay there forever or be prepared to let Al Qaeda and the Taliban reestablish themselves once we&#039;ve left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not certain of how to answer your questions, Trevor.  As I said in the comment linked above I think the alternatives are, basically, stay there forever or be prepared to let Al Qaeda and the Taliban reestablish themselves once we've left.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then do you believe the so called Territory that makes up Afghanistan can exist in a successful post NATO operation? Or to be more specific do you think it is possible to unify its various inhabitants? 

It also seems to me like the people of Afghanistan have been fighting superior armies on and off for hundreds of years and that the Taliban are a more integrated part of the culture there then some terrorist cell operating separate of popular opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then do you believe the so called Territory that makes up Afghanistan can exist in a successful post NATO operation? Or to be more specific do you think it is possible to unify its various inhabitants? </p>
<p>It also seems to me like the people of Afghanistan have been fighting superior armies on and off for hundreds of years and that the Taliban are a more integrated part of the culture there then some terrorist cell operating separate of popular opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor:

Although they have their roles to play tribes, the Red Cross, people with green eyes, and the Elks Club aren&#039;t states.  They might have some characteristics in common with states but they aren&#039;t states largely because they don&#039;t behave like states.

Among the defining qualities of states are a defined border, at least a &lt;i&gt;pro forma&lt;/i&gt; attempt at defending the border and keeping order within it, inclusivity (in the sense that, within the border, everyone has some relation to the state), and exclusivity (in the sense that, within the border, there&#039;s only one state).

Drawing a border and declaring it&#039;s a state isn&#039;t enough.  There must be intent as well and it&#039;s rather clear that areas to which the arm of the national government just don&#039;t reach aren&#039;t part of that state when they don&#039;t intend to be part of that state.  In Afghanistan the national government is for practical purposes the government of Kabul and the adjacent area.  Wishing the rest of Afghanistan were a state or ever have been won&#039;t make it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor:</p>
<p>Although they have their roles to play tribes, the Red Cross, people with green eyes, and the Elks Club aren't states.  They might have some characteristics in common with states but they aren't states largely because they don't behave like states.</p>
<p>Among the defining qualities of states are a defined border, at least a <i>pro forma</i> attempt at defending the border and keeping order within it, inclusivity (in the sense that, within the border, everyone has some relation to the state), and exclusivity (in the sense that, within the border, there's only one state).</p>
<p>Drawing a border and declaring it's a state isn't enough.  There must be intent as well and it's rather clear that areas to which the arm of the national government just don't reach aren't part of that state when they don't intend to be part of that state.  In Afghanistan the national government is for practical purposes the government of Kabul and the adjacent area.  Wishing the rest of Afghanistan were a state or ever have been won't make it so.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Failed state? That&#039;s a misconception. To be a failed state you&#039;ve got to have been a state. There&#039;s a swath of ungoverned territory that runs from eastern Turkey to the Hindu Kush parts of which are claimed by a dozen or more countries, none of which have established control over the territory they&#039;re claiming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess that would depend on what you consider a state. the government which supposedly rules over the &quot;swath of ungoverned territory&quot;  in Afghanistan is not the major playing piece in that region. It&#039;s the various tribes that occupy Afghanistan that rule it, and until a plan can be made around integrating them into the country&#039;s future, there will be progress.

This puppet rule in Afghanistan is partial at best, and Democracy doesn&#039;t work everywhere, there are certain political, social, economical and even cultural aspects which must be satisfied.

Take for example Iraq, where most of the people who were given free choice decided it best to use that freedom to kill each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Failed state? That's a misconception. To be a failed state you've got to have been a state. There's a swath of ungoverned territory that runs from eastern Turkey to the Hindu Kush parts of which are claimed by a dozen or more countries, none of which have established control over the territory they're claiming.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess that would depend on what you consider a state. the government which supposedly rules over the "swath of ungoverned territory"  in Afghanistan is not the major playing piece in that region. It's the various tribes that occupy Afghanistan that rule it, and until a plan can be made around integrating them into the country's future, there will be progress.</p>
<p>This puppet rule in Afghanistan is partial at best, and Democracy doesn't work everywhere, there are certain political, social, economical and even cultural aspects which must be satisfied.</p>
<p>Take for example Iraq, where most of the people who were given free choice decided it best to use that freedom to kill each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave 
Good analyses. You seem to actually analyze the situation some instead of just having a gut reaction then build facts around that gut reaction as many seem to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave<br />
Good analyses. You seem to actually analyze the situation some instead of just having a gut reaction then build facts around that gut reaction as many seem to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/#comment-272218&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the comment I left&lt;/a&gt; to the post above this one.

Failed state?  That&#039;s a misconception.  To be a failed state you&#039;ve got to have been a state.  There&#039;s a swath of ungoverned territory that runs from eastern Turkey to the Hindu Kush parts of which are claimed by a dozen or more countries, none of which have established control over the territory they&#039;re claiming.

As I &lt;a href=&quot;http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3415&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt; not long ago the problem in Afghanistan isn&#039;t just one of putting more troops there.  Without a radical restructuring of the entire region there&#039;s no practical way of supplying such a force.  The situation is more Fort Apache than Desert Storm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/#comment-272218" rel="nofollow">the comment I left</a> to the post above this one.</p>
<p>Failed state?  That's a misconception.  To be a failed state you've got to have been a state.  There's a swath of ungoverned territory that runs from eastern Turkey to the Hindu Kush parts of which are claimed by a dozen or more countries, none of which have established control over the territory they're claiming.</p>
<p>As I <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3415" rel="nofollow">pointed out</a> not long ago the problem in Afghanistan isn't just one of putting more troops there.  Without a radical restructuring of the entire region there's no practical way of supplying such a force.  The situation is more Fort Apache than Desert Storm.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Marines have asked that all their efforts be concentrated in Afghanistan. Maybe now&#039;s the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Marines have asked that all their efforts be concentrated in Afghanistan. Maybe now's the time.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anybody there bring up the name &quot;Pakistan&quot; in any of these discussions?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yup. Not a lot in yesterday&#039;s unveiling, which was fairly compressed, but certainly the reports talk about the need for a regional approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anybody there bring up the name "Pakistan" in any of these discussions?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yup. Not a lot in yesterday's unveiling, which was fairly compressed, but certainly the reports talk about the need for a regional approach.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody there bring up the name &quot;Pakistan&quot; in any of these discussions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody there bring up the name "Pakistan" in any of these discussions?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban&quot;

President George W. Bush
USS Abraham Lincoln
At Sea Off the Coast of San Diego, California 
May 1, 2003

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/rm/20203.htm

Yea, &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"In the battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban"</p>
<p>President George W. Bush<br />
USS Abraham Lincoln<br />
At Sea Off the Coast of San Diego, California<br />
May 1, 2003</p>
<p><a href="http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/rm/20203.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/rm/20203.htm</a></p>
<p>Yea, "Mission Accomplished"</p>
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