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		<title>By: wond&#8217;ring aloud &#8212; get angry WITH me!</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nepotism_nation/comment-page-1/#comment-543474</link>
		<dc:creator>wond&#8217;ring aloud &#8212; get angry WITH me!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so much crazy shit going on right now that it&#8217;s hard to do more than wonder about it. like caroline kennedy wanting to be NY senator, but only if it&#8217;s handed to her on a silver platter (she&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so much crazy shit going on right now that it&#8217;s hard to do more than wonder about it. like caroline kennedy wanting to be NY senator, but only if it&#8217;s handed to her on a silver platter (she&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nepotism_nation/comment-page-1/#comment-538606</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, 

I&#039;m unconvinced that Caroline Kennedy, as just outright wrong as that whole scene is, can be propery considered &#039;nepotism.&#039;

It&#039;s my take, first of all, that it&#039;s partially a payback for her rather public endorsement of Obama, and her willingly tying him on to the Camelot myth.

Then, too, there&#039;s the issue of star power. As has been pointed out elsewhere... remove the Kennedy name and you have someone who would be laughed off any list of appointees, and certainly off any lists of people to be elected to the position. If the election of Obama reminded the Democrats anything it&#039;s the electoral draw of star power, which the Camelot myth feeds into. Which, frankly, is the only way Uncle Teddy has managed to stay in office all these years.

This who thing does rather cast a question mark over the Democrats constant whining about Sarah Palin and her supposed lack of experience, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, </p>
<p>I'm unconvinced that Caroline Kennedy, as just outright wrong as that whole scene is, can be propery considered 'nepotism.'</p>
<p>It's my take, first of all, that it's partially a payback for her rather public endorsement of Obama, and her willingly tying him on to the Camelot myth.</p>
<p>Then, too, there's the issue of star power. As has been pointed out elsewhere... remove the Kennedy name and you have someone who would be laughed off any list of appointees, and certainly off any lists of people to be elected to the position. If the election of Obama reminded the Democrats anything it's the electoral draw of star power, which the Camelot myth feeds into. Which, frankly, is the only way Uncle Teddy has managed to stay in office all these years.</p>
<p>This who thing does rather cast a question mark over the Democrats constant whining about Sarah Palin and her supposed lack of experience, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nepotism_nation/comment-page-1/#comment-538604</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Now the 3 yr delay in reporting it does raise some uncomfortable questions for JJJr, but revenge does not leap first to mind as a motivation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly there is some other motivation in addition to what I mention, but after a three year delay, simply being a &#039;good citizen&#039; doesn&#039;t strike me as plausable as a sole reason, either. My take is the feds had some kind of leverage on JJJr, too, or perhaps his father, and he traded information on Blago to keep his own butt outta jail. 

What that leverage is or was, of course, we may never know. But that whole thing goes directly to my point about anyone coming up in that environment is not clean, but any stretech, and that includes Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now the 3 yr delay in reporting it does raise some uncomfortable questions for JJJr, but revenge does not leap first to mind as a motivation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly there is some other motivation in addition to what I mention, but after a three year delay, simply being a 'good citizen' doesn't strike me as plausable as a sole reason, either. My take is the feds had some kind of leverage on JJJr, too, or perhaps his father, and he traded information on Blago to keep his own butt outta jail. </p>
<p>What that leverage is or was, of course, we may never know. But that whole thing goes directly to my point about anyone coming up in that environment is not clean, but any stretech, and that includes Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nepotism_nation/comment-page-1/#comment-538594</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;She won a special election to fill her late husband&#039;s seat. Vacancies in the House of Representatives are never filled by appointment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s right, of course.  I&#039;d forgotten. It&#039;s hard to beat a widow, though, and she has been re-elected in her own right numerous times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She won a special election to fill her late husband's seat. Vacancies in the House of Representatives are never filled by appointment.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's right, of course.  I'd forgotten. It's hard to beat a widow, though, and she has been re-elected in her own right numerous times.</p>
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		<title>By: RW Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Bono was not appointed to office. She won a special election to fill her late husband&#039;s seat. Vacancies in the House of Representatives are never filled by appointment. I&#039;m surprised that you think otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Bono was not appointed to office. She won a special election to fill her late husband's seat. Vacancies in the House of Representatives are never filled by appointment. I'm surprised that you think otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As for congress I am not really keen at all on the concept of appointments. I think all empty seats should be filled by special elections. I know they are costly, but I am not keen on the idea of a governor picking my senator based on reasons other than actual competence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I fail to see much of a practical difference.  In this case, the appointment will be a Democrat, as will the winner of the special election.  Either one will vote with the caucus a vast majority of the time.  No need to spend a large sum of the peoples&#039; money for an insignificant difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As for congress I am not really keen at all on the concept of appointments. I think all empty seats should be filled by special elections. I know they are costly, but I am not keen on the idea of a governor picking my senator based on reasons other than actual competence.</p></blockquote>
<p>I fail to see much of a practical difference.  In this case, the appointment will be a Democrat, as will the winner of the special election.  Either one will vote with the caucus a vast majority of the time.  No need to spend a large sum of the peoples' money for an insignificant difference.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind so much nepotism appointments if the family member was already in an elected office or some type of office that was more than ceremonial.  I may not like the candidate, but at least they have experience.

I am not keen on the &quot;Hey so and so retired, resigned, passed away etc let&#039;s appoint their wife, sister, son, brother&quot; appointments.

As for congress I am not really keen at all on the concept of appointments.  I think all empty seats should be filled by special elections.  I know they are costly, but I am not keen on the idea of a governor picking my senator based on reasons other than actual competence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't mind so much nepotism appointments if the family member was already in an elected office or some type of office that was more than ceremonial.  I may not like the candidate, but at least they have experience.</p>
<p>I am not keen on the "Hey so and so retired, resigned, passed away etc let's appoint their wife, sister, son, brother" appointments.</p>
<p>As for congress I am not really keen at all on the concept of appointments.  I think all empty seats should be filled by special elections.  I know they are costly, but I am not keen on the idea of a governor picking my senator based on reasons other than actual competence.</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Caroline Kennedy Dodges The Question</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Caroline Kennedy Dodges The Question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, as James Joyner notes, this dynastic politics is really only a problem when you&#8217;re talking about someone, like Kennedy, who walks into high office rather than actual... Far more troubling are the Mary Bonos, Lisa Murkowskis, Jean Carnahans, and (potentially) Caroline [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] course, as James Joyner notes, this dynastic politics is really only a problem when you&#8217;re talking about someone, like Kennedy, who walks into high office rather than actual... Far more troubling are the Mary Bonos, Lisa Murkowskis, Jean Carnahans, and (potentially) Caroline [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you know what finally tripped Jesse Jackson Jr&#039;s trigger to work with the feds to bring down Blaggo? He wouldn&#039;t arrage a high paying job for Jackson&#039;s wife, without money being involved. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bit, according to what I read &lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/16/breaking-jackson-jr-an-informant-to-us-attorney-investigation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, there was a 3 yr delay between the solicitation of the $25,000 campaign donation, and JJJr&#039;s reporting of the attempted &quot;shakedown&quot;. In &#039;03 after Blago had been elected and JJJr&#039;s wife had been turned down for the job, Blago said something to the effect of, &lt;em&gt;&quot;You see what $25,000 would have done?&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

Now the 3 yr delay in reporting it does raise some uncomfortable questions for JJJr, but revenge does not leap first to mind as a motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you know what finally tripped Jesse Jackson Jr's trigger to work with the feds to bring down Blaggo? He wouldn't arrage a high paying job for Jackson's wife, without money being involved. </p></blockquote>
<p>Bit, according to what I read <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/16/breaking-jackson-jr-an-informant-to-us-attorney-investigation/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, there was a 3 yr delay between the solicitation of the $25,000 campaign donation, and JJJr's reporting of the attempted "shakedown". In '03 after Blago had been elected and JJJr's wife had been turned down for the job, Blago said something to the effect of, <em>"You see what $25,000 would have done?" </em></p>
<p>Now the 3 yr delay in reporting it does raise some uncomfortable questions for JJJr, but revenge does not leap first to mind as a motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: ap</title>
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		<dc:creator>ap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did you miss the last eight years?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

i was being ironic. its been going on much longer than the last 8 years (you only use the number 8 bc you have an irrational hatred towards bush)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did you miss the last eight years?</p></blockquote>
<p>i was being ironic. its been going on much longer than the last 8 years (you only use the number 8 bc you have an irrational hatred towards bush)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live outside of Crook County, I mean Cook county IL.  All I can say is I hope that we the people can vote on a senator.  I personally think that would shake up the Democratic party in IL.
I also wonder why the Fed&#039;s acted so soon... Why not wait until a bag full of money exchanged hands and then hit Gov. Go-blygovitch?  Something will shake out and I can&#039;t wait to hear.
Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live outside of Crook County, I mean Cook county IL.  All I can say is I hope that we the people can vote on a senator.  I personally think that would shake up the Democratic party in IL.<br />
I also wonder why the Fed's acted so soon... Why not wait until a bag full of money exchanged hands and then hit Gov. Go-blygovitch?  Something will shake out and I can't wait to hear.<br />
Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Caroline Kennedy Dodges The Question</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Caroline Kennedy Dodges The Question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, as James Joyner notes, this dynastic politics is really only a problem when you&#8217;re talking about someone, like Kennedy, who walks into high office rather than actual... Far more troubling are the Mary Bonos, Lisa Murkowskis, Jean Carnahans, and (potentially) Caroline [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] course, as James Joyner notes, this dynastic politics is really only a problem when you&#8217;re talking about someone, like Kennedy, who walks into high office rather than actual... Far more troubling are the Mary Bonos, Lisa Murkowskis, Jean Carnahans, and (potentially) Caroline [...]</p>
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		<title>By: raoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Illinois, a statewide campaign costs 36 million dollars. If one is to have a scheduled election in three months- what&#039;s the point of spending that sum. On the other hand, does one state want to sacrifice its vote for short time without placing a representative? I do not think so. So- like it or not, one will have appointments. The question is then for how long- the answer speaks for itself- until the next scheduled electoral cycle. Either that or pay more taxes (I am putting in a way so conservatives can understand).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Illinois, a statewide campaign costs 36 million dollars. If one is to have a scheduled election in three months- what's the point of spending that sum. On the other hand, does one state want to sacrifice its vote for short time without placing a representative? I do not think so. So- like it or not, one will have appointments. The question is then for how long- the answer speaks for itself- until the next scheduled electoral cycle. Either that or pay more taxes (I am putting in a way so conservatives can understand).</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this one:

Do you know what finally tripped Jesse Jackson Jr&#039;s trigger to work with the feds to bring down Blaggo? He wouldn&#039;t arrage a high paying job for Jackson&#039;s wife, without money being involved. 

Chew on that for a while. Nepotism? I&#039;d say that&#039;s part of our problem, sure. But it runs deeper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this one:</p>
<p>Do you know what finally tripped Jesse Jackson Jr's trigger to work with the feds to bring down Blaggo? He wouldn't arrage a high paying job for Jackson's wife, without money being involved. </p>
<p>Chew on that for a while. Nepotism? I'd say that's part of our problem, sure. But it runs deeper.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;when do we get to strip congress of anything but ceremonial powers?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did you miss the last eight years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>when do we get to strip congress of anything but ceremonial powers?</p></blockquote>
<p>Did you miss the last eight years?</p>
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