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	<title>Comments on: NEPOTISM VS. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION</title>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nepotism_vs_affirmative_action/comment-page-1/#comment-2809</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the difference between nepotism as private practice and AA as public policy, and the added problems this brings to the issue. However, it annoyed me that many of Bellow&#039;s examples of &quot;Great Families&quot; came not from business but from politics: &quot;Americans admire the Adamses, the Roosevelts, and the Kennedys ...&quot; So he&#039;s arguing that we should defer to our oligarchical betters who control a good chunk of the state&#039;s power. But if someone suggests using the state&#039;s power to do something similar for minorities, then I suppose Bellow would trot out arguments about individualism, meritocracy, and all the rest of it. 

&lt;i&gt;a major difference between affirmative action and nepotism, though, is that the former tars all and the latter just the one involved.  It&#039;s not so much that the affirmative action admittee is a suspect but that *all* members of his race are suspect,&lt;/i&gt;

Why? I&#039;ve never understood this objection when it&#039;s made by people who are arguing that individuals should be assessed on their merits and not promoted as a class. If that&#039;s what you believe, why should you then turn around and decide that an entire racial category is &quot;tarred&quot; if a particular individual isn&#039;t up to snuff? If you worked in a company where the CEO&#039;s incompetent daughter got quickly promoted, would you conclude that &quot;all rich people&#039;s children are tarred by her failures&quot;? I doubt it. 

&lt;i&gt;And most minority kids aren&#039;t &quot;hungry.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a metaphorical hunger for success I was talking about, not a literal hunger for food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the difference between nepotism as private practice and AA as public policy, and the added problems this brings to the issue. However, it annoyed me that many of Bellow's examples of "Great Families" came not from business but from politics: "Americans admire the Adamses, the Roosevelts, and the Kennedys ..." So he's arguing that we should defer to our oligarchical betters who control a good chunk of the state's power. But if someone suggests using the state's power to do something similar for minorities, then I suppose Bellow would trot out arguments about individualism, meritocracy, and all the rest of it. </p>
<p><i>a major difference between affirmative action and nepotism, though, is that the former tars all and the latter just the one involved.  It's not so much that the affirmative action admittee is a suspect but that *all* members of his race are suspect,</i></p>
<p>Why? I've never understood this objection when it's made by people who are arguing that individuals should be assessed on their merits and not promoted as a class. If that's what you believe, why should you then turn around and decide that an entire racial category is "tarred" if a particular individual isn't up to snuff? If you worked in a company where the CEO's incompetent daughter got quickly promoted, would you conclude that "all rich people's children are tarred by her failures"? I doubt it. </p>
<p><i>And most minority kids aren't "hungry."</i></p>
<p>That's a metaphorical hunger for success I was talking about, not a literal hunger for food.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nepotism_vs_affirmative_action/comment-page-1/#comment-2810</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to suggest you didn&#039;t know the arguments involved; I&#039;m just stating why I think the analogy isn&#039;t perfect.

By treating people as a class, we invite thinking of people as a class.  We actually *do* tend to think the progeny of the rich get ahead because of this, whether true in specific cases or not. Indeed, a lot of people seem to think GW Bush got elected because Daddy had been president, despite the fact that this is a situation where Daddy can&#039;t really help all that much.  Everyone assumes, for example, that Clarence Thomas got into Yale because he was black.  Maybe he did.  Or maybe he was just smart as hell. 

Fair enough on &quot;hungry for success.&quot;  But then there really isn&#039;t any reason to prefer one color of hungry kid to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn't mean to suggest you didn't know the arguments involved; I'm just stating why I think the analogy isn't perfect.</p>
<p>By treating people as a class, we invite thinking of people as a class.  We actually *do* tend to think the progeny of the rich get ahead because of this, whether true in specific cases or not. Indeed, a lot of people seem to think GW Bush got elected because Daddy had been president, despite the fact that this is a situation where Daddy can't really help all that much.  Everyone assumes, for example, that Clarence Thomas got into Yale because he was black.  Maybe he did.  Or maybe he was just smart as hell. </p>
<p>Fair enough on "hungry for success."  But then there really isn't any reason to prefer one color of hungry kid to another.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy's Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy's Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tarred with the Same Brush&lt;/strong&gt;
Here&#8217;s a side-point from my post on nepotism that came out of an exchange with James Joyner, and that I...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tarred with the Same Brush</strong><br />
Here&#8217;s a side-point from my post on nepotism that came out of an exchange with James Joyner, and that I...</p>
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