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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/netroots_plan_to_spam_google_for_democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-101652</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Netroots Plan to Spam Google for Democracy&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Should that be...

Netroots Plan to Spam Google for Democrats?

There is, after all a major difference.</description>
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<p>Should that be...</p>
<p>Netroots Plan to Spam Google for Democrats?</p>
<p>There is, after all a major difference.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/netroots_plan_to_spam_google_for_democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-101647</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:

No, I don&#039;t think the Google folks are &quot;in on it.&quot; Still, you&#039;d think they&#039;d work to protect the integrity of their search results from obvious attempts to spam the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:</p>
<p>No, I don't think the Google folks are "in on it." Still, you'd think they'd work to protect the integrity of their search results from obvious attempts to spam the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/netroots_plan_to_spam_google_for_democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-101642</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it should be a simple task for Google to not only thwart this plan but to ban the participants from their metrics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope you&#039;re not implying that if they don&#039;t thwart this plan, that they&#039;re in on it.  Googlebombing has been going on for a long time.  Just search for &quot;french military victories&quot; or &quot;failure.&quot;  Remember all the hoopla when the first result for &quot;jew&quot; was an antisemitic site?  They didn&#039;t intervene in any of those cases.  Googlebombing may be trying to influence results, but it&#039;s not underhanded.  It relies on people voluntarily linking to those sites.  As long as they aren&#039;t spamming other sites in order to promote the links, I doubt Google will touch it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it should be a simple task for Google to not only thwart this plan but to ban the participants from their metrics.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you're not implying that if they don't thwart this plan, that they're in on it.  Googlebombing has been going on for a long time.  Just search for "french military victories" or "failure."  Remember all the hoopla when the first result for "jew" was an antisemitic site?  They didn't intervene in any of those cases.  Googlebombing may be trying to influence results, but it's not underhanded.  It relies on people voluntarily linking to those sites.  As long as they aren't spamming other sites in order to promote the links, I doubt Google will touch it.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/netroots_plan_to_spam_google_for_democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-101605</link>
		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happily admit there&#039;s been a decade or more of sneering at the economic illiteracy of people to the left of the WSJ editorial page. Entirely deserved sneering, at that.

However, the fact that the left is by and large composed of economic illiterates and incompetents is not inconsistent with, say, Google. Even a stuck clock is right twice a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happily admit there's been a decade or more of sneering at the economic illiteracy of people to the left of the WSJ editorial page. Entirely deserved sneering, at that.</p>
<p>However, the fact that the left is by and large composed of economic illiterates and incompetents is not inconsistent with, say, Google. Even a stuck clock is right twice a day.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don’t have to understand how the world works, economically speaking, to understand how a small part of it works.&quot;

Kent, the common put-down of &quot;leftists&quot; applies to both macro and microeconomics. Again, it&#039;s disingenuous to now claim otherwise when we have decades of sneering at the supposed economic illiteracy of people politically to the left of the WSJ opinion page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"You don&rsquo;t have to understand how the world works, economically speaking, to understand how a small part of it works."</p>
<p>Kent, the common put-down of "leftists" applies to both macro and microeconomics. Again, it's disingenuous to now claim otherwise when we have decades of sneering at the supposed economic illiteracy of people politically to the left of the WSJ opinion page.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Mind / Netroots to Waste Time Google Bombing</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Mind / Netroots to Waste Time Google Bombing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Call to Action: Google-Bombing the Election&#8221; [via OTB] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2164611&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SearchEngineWatch&lt;/a&gt; from 2002:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Google combats these attempts by identifying what it considers to be &quot;artificial&quot; link structures and adjusting or eliminating their influence in the rankings. Google has also recently taken action against reciprocal link pages, link &quot;farms&quot; and guest books, downplaying their importance in its link analysis algorithms. And there&#039;s no doubt that Google will take action against weblogs, if those weblogs are seen as manipulating results in a way that doesn&#039;t correspond with user expectations.&lt;/blockquote&gt; On a personal note, I have a MyDD account but haven&#039;t used it in months. The cliquish culture and their predominantly blinkered &quot;My party, right or wrong&quot; attitude quickly put me off. In that, they hold much in common with most major rightwing &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; leftwing blogs.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p><a href="http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2164611" rel="nofollow">SearchEngineWatch</a> from 2002:</p>
<blockquote><p>Google combats these attempts by identifying what it considers to be "artificial" link structures and adjusting or eliminating their influence in the rankings. Google has also recently taken action against reciprocal link pages, link "farms" and guest books, downplaying their importance in its link analysis algorithms. And there's no doubt that Google will take action against weblogs, if those weblogs are seen as manipulating results in a way that doesn't correspond with user expectations.</p></blockquote>
<p> On a personal note, I have a MyDD account but haven't used it in months. The cliquish culture and their predominantly blinkered "My party, right or wrong" attitude quickly put me off. In that, they hold much in common with most major rightwing <i>and</i> leftwing blogs.</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Hyscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Election 2006 Republican Googlebomb...&lt;/strong&gt;

So in order that we do our share of helping out with a Republican Googlebomb, we&#039;ve posted the appropriate links below:...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Election 2006 Republican Googlebomb...</strong></p>
<p>So in order that we do our share of helping out with a Republican Googlebomb, we've posted the appropriate links below:...</p>
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		<title>By: The Real Ugly American.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A clever election tactic or cheating?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Real Ugly American.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A clever election tactic or cheating?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Outside the Beltway has a good point: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kent G. Budge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent G. Budge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, that&#039;s the Google James is thinking of.  Can you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y? I &lt;em&gt;knew&lt;/em&gt; you could.  It&#039;s hardly an exclusively Republican failing.

You don&#039;t have to understand how the world works, economically speaking, to understand how a small part of it works.  It&#039;s called division of labor, and it&#039;s the reason why markets work.  Markets are the most marvelous system for correlating scattered bits of information ever devised by Man.  (And here you thought it was Wikipedia.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, that's the Google James is thinking of.  Can you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y? I <em>knew</em> you could.  It's hardly an exclusively Republican failing.</p>
<p>You don't have to understand how the world works, economically speaking, to understand how a small part of it works.  It's called division of labor, and it's the reason why markets work.  Markets are the most marvelous system for correlating scattered bits of information ever devised by Man.  (And here you thought it was Wikipedia.)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Singleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Desperate Dems try Google Bombing...&lt;/strong&gt;

They pretend anything in the Democratic MSM is non-partisan....</description>
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<p>They pretend anything in the Democratic MSM is non-partisan....</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah &#187; &#8220;Duh&#8221; headline of the day, and other misc news and links (MONDAY OPEN THREAD)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah &#187; &#8220;Duh&#8221; headline of the day, and other misc news and links (MONDAY OPEN THREAD)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner and Bryan at Hot Air have the details on the Nutroots plan to do some Google-bombing of the election. What does that mean? From the link to the far left MyDD site, where the following is cross-posted from the Nutrootian Daily Kos blog: What The utilization of Google Adwords and simultaneous, widespread embedded hyperlinks in order to drive as many voters as possible toward the most damning, non-partisan article written on the Republican candidate in seventy key US Senate and House races. The campaign will run from Tuesday, October 24th until Tuesday, November 7th. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner and Bryan at Hot Air have the details on the Nutroots plan to do some Google-bombing of the election. What does that mean? From the link to the far left MyDD site, where the following is cross-posted from the Nutrootian Daily Kos blog: What The utilization of Google Adwords and simultaneous, widespread embedded hyperlinks in order to drive as many voters as possible toward the most damning, non-partisan article written on the Republican candidate in seventy key US Senate and House races. The campaign will run from Tuesday, October 24th until Tuesday, November 7th. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

The argument is that leftists, in general, don&#039;t work hard, don&#039;t understand the value of hard work, and certainly don&#039;t know anything about how the way the world works (economically speaking). I think it quite disingenuous for you to pretend you&#039;ve never heard this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>The argument is that leftists, in general, don't work hard, don't understand the value of hard work, and certainly don't know anything about how the way the world works (economically speaking). I think it quite disingenuous for you to pretend you've never heard this.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M1EK:  Who argues Side One?  To say that leftist &lt;em&gt;politicians&lt;/em&gt; attempt to implement public policies that are anti-business or that fly in the face of basic economic principles is not at all saying that individual &lt;em&gt;businessmen&lt;/em&gt; who support leftist candidates are incompetent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M1EK:  Who argues Side One?  To say that leftist <em>politicians</em> attempt to implement public policies that are anti-business or that fly in the face of basic economic principles is not at all saying that individual <em>businessmen</em> who support leftist candidates are incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, one of my favorite thought experiments.

SIDE ONE: Leftists are supposed to be bad businessmen, right? They don&#039;t understand the profit motive, economics, etc. They also don&#039;t like to work hard; and would clearly never be able to build a business worth millions, much less billions, of dollars.

SIDE TWO: All big media companies (except now Fox) are controlled by leftists! We can&#039;t get our message out!



Which one is it, boys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, one of my favorite thought experiments.</p>
<p>SIDE ONE: Leftists are supposed to be bad businessmen, right? They don't understand the profit motive, economics, etc. They also don't like to work hard; and would clearly never be able to build a business worth millions, much less billions, of dollars.</p>
<p>SIDE TWO: All big media companies (except now Fox) are controlled by leftists! We can't get our message out!</p>
<p>Which one is it, boys?</p>
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