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	<title>Comments on: Preacher Ousts Members for Voting Democrat</title>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 03:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the good pastor was cleaning house of the evil &quot;Liberals&quot;, too bad he didn&#039;t run the &quot;money changers&quot; off too!  I can&#039;t help but think &quot;What Would Jesus Do?&quot;  I believe Jesus would Puke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the good pastor was cleaning house of the evil "Liberals", too bad he didn't run the "money changers" off too!  I can't help but think "What Would Jesus Do?"  I believe Jesus would Puke!</p>
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		<title>By: wenemeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wenemeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 17:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder whether the 501Â©3 itself is not a violation of the separation of church and state, and using such monetary methods to ensure churches donât engage in politics tantamount to state control of religious speech?&quot;

Religious speech? &quot;Vote for Bush or get out&quot;? It&#039;s political speech and we all know it. If they want to engage in that, fine. If they want to trade on Christ&#039;s name for political reasons, fine. But if they&#039;re going to go down that dubious road, why should they be tax exempt? Since when is partisan hackery equivalent to worshipping the almighty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I wonder whether the 501Â©3 itself is not a violation of the separation of church and state, and using such monetary methods to ensure churches donât engage in politics tantamount to state control of religious speech?"</p>
<p>Religious speech? "Vote for Bush or get out"? It's political speech and we all know it. If they want to engage in that, fine. If they want to trade on Christ's name for political reasons, fine. But if they're going to go down that dubious road, why should they be tax exempt? Since when is partisan hackery equivalent to worshipping the almighty?</p>
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		<title>By: JackLewis.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackLewis.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 16:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More on East Waynesville Baptist controversy&lt;/strong&gt;
I reported on this yesterday. Since the MSM as well as many bloggers are more than willing to believe the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More on East Waynesville Baptist controversy</strong><br />
I reported on this yesterday. Since the MSM as well as many bloggers are more than willing to believe the...</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 08:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, our little town gets in the news, and its because of some preacher shooting his mouth off. Gee thanks Chandler, you really did us here in Waynesville and Haywood county a REAL service didnt you. Next time, (if thier is a next time) Keep your political views out of your church and to yourself. After all, not everyone here in Waynesville NC believe as you do, believe it or not.

Yes, i Live in Waynesville NC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, our little town gets in the news, and its because of some preacher shooting his mouth off. Gee thanks Chandler, you really did us here in Waynesville and Haywood county a REAL service didnt you. Next time, (if thier is a next time) Keep your political views out of your church and to yourself. After all, not everyone here in Waynesville NC believe as you do, believe it or not.</p>
<p>Yes, i Live in Waynesville NC.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 00:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently this particular preacher isn&#039;t all that devout when it comes to the teachings of Christ. Christ was wise enough to accept anyone who came to him for guidance.

I sure am glad I didn&#039;t vote for Bush considering these are the kinds of fanatics I&#039;d be associated with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently this particular preacher isn't all that devout when it comes to the teachings of Christ. Christ was wise enough to accept anyone who came to him for guidance.</p>
<p>I sure am glad I didn't vote for Bush considering these are the kinds of fanatics I'd be associated with.</p>
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		<title>By: JackLewis.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackLewis.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 14:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Preacher ousts members...or does he?&lt;/strong&gt;
I skipped this story when I first heard about it because it was either A. some crackpot that anti-Christian bigots...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Preacher ousts members...or does he?</strong><br />
I skipped this story when I first heard about it because it was either A. some crackpot that anti-Christian bigots...</p>
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		<title>By: Kappiy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/newsobservercom_nc_news_wire/comment-page-1/#comment-45298</link>
		<dc:creator>Kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 20:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;  I have never heard the NAACP say that if you donât vote our way, weâre going to ex-communicate you &lt;/i&gt;

The NAACP is not a religious organization. They have no connection to churches--there are Jewish and Christian religious leaders on the Board, but their mission is decidedly secular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>  I have never heard the NAACP say that if you donât vote our way, weâre going to ex-communicate you </i></p>
<p>The NAACP is not a religious organization. They have no connection to churches--there are Jewish and Christian religious leaders on the Board, but their mission is decidedly secular.</p>
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		<title>By: PAXALLES</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAXALLES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 00:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Theocrat Boots Democrat Voters from House of Lord - Bush is Prez, not &quot;Prime&quot; Minister?&lt;/strong&gt;
 
Theocrat Boots Democrat Voters from House of Lord - Bush is Prez, not </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Theocrat Boots Democrat Voters from House of Lord - Bush is Prez, not "Prime" Minister?</strong></p>
<p>Theocrat Boots Democrat Voters from House of Lord - Bush is Prez, not</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor Chan should be arrested on a federal complaint of intimidating voters.

The assets of the church should be turned over to the victims.

As for Black churches - it&#039;s almost a fair criticism  and the FBI has investigated the NAACP for tax status. But there is a far cry between blending the line of _supporting_ a political platfom and direct intimidation and denying people a property interest in their life-long community.

I have never heard the NAACP say that if you don&#039;t vote our way, we&#039;re going to ex-communicate you from the Association. My guess is that a good number of members vote for Republicans. 

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Chan should be arrested on a federal complaint of intimidating voters.</p>
<p>The assets of the church should be turned over to the victims.</p>
<p>As for Black churches - it's almost a fair criticism  and the FBI has investigated the NAACP for tax status. But there is a far cry between blending the line of _supporting_ a political platfom and direct intimidation and denying people a property interest in their life-long community.</p>
<p>I have never heard the NAACP say that if you don't vote our way, we're going to ex-communicate you from the Association. My guess is that a good number of members vote for Republicans. </p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 17:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Yep James, theyâre getting feisty arenât they? Kind of funny that the right is in power because of these jokers, ainât it? Sad to think that without them, you guys would be the minorityâ¦.&lt;/em&gt;

What are you talking about &quot;they&quot;? I&#039;d say the same if someone were going after the local African-American church for allowing John F. Kerry to speak in the pulpit on Sunday morning. Or Jesse Jackson to masquerade behind his &quot;Rev.&quot; title to do &quot;the Lord&#039;s work&quot; of electing a suitably liberal democrat president.

The domain of the political is not exclusively secular. The separation of church and state so esteemed by the ACLU and the like begins with &quot;Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.&quot; Couple that with the free speech provisions of the First Amendment, and I think I&#039;ve got a pretty good civil libertarian case that religious groups should be able to spout off on whatever political issue they choose without fear of government reprisal. 

So stick that in your hat and smoke it, &quot;hal.&quot; and sad to think that even with all the groups the liberals have bought allegiance from, they are still in the minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Yep James, theyâre getting feisty arenât they? Kind of funny that the right is in power because of these jokers, ainât it? Sad to think that without them, you guys would be the minorityâ¦.</em></p>
<p>What are you talking about "they"? I'd say the same if someone were going after the local African-American church for allowing John F. Kerry to speak in the pulpit on Sunday morning. Or Jesse Jackson to masquerade behind his "Rev." title to do "the Lord's work" of electing a suitably liberal democrat president.</p>
<p>The domain of the political is not exclusively secular. The separation of church and state so esteemed by the ACLU and the like begins with "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Couple that with the free speech provisions of the First Amendment, and I think I've got a pretty good civil libertarian case that religious groups should be able to spout off on whatever political issue they choose without fear of government reprisal. </p>
<p>So stick that in your hat and smoke it, "hal." and sad to think that even with all the groups the liberals have bought allegiance from, they are still in the minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 16:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;using such monetary methods to ensure churches donât engage in politics tantamount to state control of religious speech?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Yep James, they&#039;re getting feisty aren&#039;t they?  Kind of funny that the right is in power because of these jokers, ain&#039;t it?  Sad to think that without them, you guys would be the minority....

But I guess Michael Moore is fat n&#039; all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>"using such monetary methods to ensure churches donât engage in politics tantamount to state control of religious speech?"</em></p>
<p>Yep James, they're getting feisty aren't they?  Kind of funny that the right is in power because of these jokers, ain't it?  Sad to think that without them, you guys would be the minority....</p>
<p>But I guess Michael Moore is fat n' all.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 15:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether the 501(c)3 itself is not a violation of the separation of church and state, and using such monetary methods to ensure churches don&#039;t engage in politics tantamount to state control of religious speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether the 501(c)3 itself is not a violation of the separation of church and state, and using such monetary methods to ensure churches don't engage in politics tantamount to state control of religious speech?</p>
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		<title>By: SoloD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoloD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 14:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think this is pretty outrageous and I would be upset if my church tried to this.  However, I also believe that church can certainly set whatever criteria it wants for membership, but using politics as one of those criteria causes some legal problems.

I wonder if the congregation willbe quite so accepting of this overzealous preacher in the face of losing their 501(c)(3) exemption?  My guess is one call from the IRS could undo this action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think this is pretty outrageous and I would be upset if my church tried to this.  However, I also believe that church can certainly set whatever criteria it wants for membership, but using politics as one of those criteria causes some legal problems.</p>
<p>I wonder if the congregation willbe quite so accepting of this overzealous preacher in the face of losing their 501(c)(3) exemption?  My guess is one call from the IRS could undo this action.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 14:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, 

you are correct that Chandler can&#039;t really &quot;excommunicate&quot; someone from the baptist faith, since it is about as non-heirarchical as you can get. 

Still, he&#039;s going a bit farther than most evangelicals would go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, </p>
<p>you are correct that Chandler can't really "excommunicate" someone from the baptist faith, since it is about as non-heirarchical as you can get. </p>
<p>Still, he's going a bit farther than most evangelicals would go.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 14:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This just proves we&#039;re ABOUT TO BE CONSUMED BY A NEO-CON THEOCRACY!!!!&quot;

Do these people even listen to themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"This just proves we're ABOUT TO BE CONSUMED BY A NEO-CON THEOCRACY!!!!"</p>
<p>Do these people even listen to themselves?</p>
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