Comments on: Nick Berg http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:37:08 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: dw http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16676 dw Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16676 Anyone who makes the moral equivalency argument needs to be taken outside of the camp and stoned. We are not these animals. We are supposed to be civilized, and our conduct should be unimpeachable. I hope they hunt these guys down and throw them in a detention camp where they get three squares a day and all the comforts Gitmo can offer. Anyone who makes the moral equivalency argument needs to be taken outside of the camp and stoned. We are not these animals. We are supposed to be civilized, and our conduct should be unimpeachable.

I hope they hunt these guys down and throw them in a detention camp where they get three squares a day and all the comforts Gitmo can offer.

]]> By: M.Murcek http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16677 M.Murcek Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16677 Yeah, fatten 'em up in camp, and then put them in a poorly wired electric chair. The people who did the murder, that is... Yeah, fatten 'em up in camp, and then put them in a poorly wired electric chair. The people who did the murder, that is...

]]> By: alan http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16678 alan Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16678 What I find striking about the terrorists (aside from the terrorism, of course) is their remarkable stupidity. At a time when public opinion in the U.S. is, at the very least, wobbly on Iraq, these idiots commit an act so heinous and in such public fashion that the re-ignition of American righteous indignation is guaranteed. What I find striking about the terrorists (aside from the terrorism, of course) is their remarkable stupidity. At a time when public opinion in the U.S. is, at the very least, wobbly on Iraq, these idiots commit an act so heinous and in such public fashion that the re-ignition of American righteous indignation is guaranteed.

]]> By: M.Murcek http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16679 M.Murcek Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16679 Despite our acclimitization to the Internet, there remains a lag. There will always remain a lag... Despite our acclimitization to the Internet, there remains a lag. There will always remain a lag...

]]> By: Christopher Cross http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16680 Christopher Cross Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16680 While not a fan of the moral equivalence arguments in thos context--I think it's important to distinguish WHERE those arguments are directed. When directed at AMERICAN media, the "well, we weren't as bad as Saddam" is pretty darn stupid and unbecoming. However, when directed at the damn near complicit ARAB media when they shed crocodile tears for the prisoner abuses--then it's a bit more appropriate to ask "Hey, where the eff have YOU been?" Only insofar as that distinction can be made is the "moral equivalence" (using that term advisedly) argument appropriate. While not a fan of the moral equivalence arguments in thos context--I think it's important to distinguish WHERE those arguments are directed.

When directed at AMERICAN media, the "well, we weren't as bad as Saddam" is pretty darn stupid and unbecoming.

However, when directed at the damn near complicit ARAB media when they shed crocodile tears for the prisoner abuses--then it's a bit more appropriate to ask "Hey, where the eff have YOU been?"

Only insofar as that distinction can be made is the "moral equivalence" (using that term advisedly) argument appropriate.

]]> By: fdh http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16681 fdh Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16681 It hit me today before the press began to ponder its implications: did the fact that Nick Berg was Jewish possibly influence the decision by Zarquawi to do an execution? I am not Jewish, but I am alarmed by the rampant anti-Semitism in Europe and the Middle East. Military commanders may want to take steps to make sure that troops under their command agree to some guidelines to keep the ethnic and religious affiliation of their Jewish soldiers a secret. Also, I think that those secular Jews on the Left who oppose the U.S. and Israeli war against the militant jihadists should seriously evaluate their worldviews and political leanings. It hit me today before the press began to ponder its implications: did the fact that Nick Berg was Jewish possibly influence the decision by Zarquawi to do an execution? I am not Jewish, but I am alarmed by the rampant anti-Semitism in Europe and the Middle East. Military commanders may want to take steps to make sure that troops under their command agree to some guidelines to keep the ethnic and religious affiliation of their Jewish soldiers a secret. Also, I think that those secular Jews on the Left who oppose the U.S. and Israeli war against the militant jihadists should seriously evaluate their worldviews and political leanings.

]]> By: Japers Camera http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16682 Japers Camera Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16682 When are you Americans going to realise that the sun does not shine out of your arses and that people of the worls do not only do things to get your reactions. When are you Americans going to realise that the sun does not shine out of your arses and that people of the worls do not only do things to get your reactions.

]]> By: Germanator http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16683 Germanator Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16683 It is pretty sick of what those extremists have committed. I watched the video in shock and had to learn the hard way what cruelty was committed. Words cannot describe this horror act. Cowards are those hiding their face wrapped in a doorag. I certainly wish we as Americans will stand up finally and cut through the cheese, though we are criticized by others and punish those who associate with such extremists. If they are celebrating over our casualties, why not round them up and imprison them? It is pretty sick of what those extremists have committed. I watched the video in shock and had to learn the hard way what cruelty was committed.
Words cannot describe this horror act.
Cowards are those hiding their face wrapped in a doorag. I certainly wish we as Americans will stand up finally and cut through the cheese, though we are criticized by others and punish those who associate with such extremists. If they are celebrating over our casualties, why not round them up and imprison them?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16684 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16684 It appears that the United States has slumped back into a collective amnesia. We have forgotten the over 3,000 souls who lost their lives on September 11, 2001. It appears that we have forgotten the war, or even the reason why we are fighting. We have become obsessed with pleasure, sport and recreation. We have become the masters of our own distraction, a deadly distraction. We have a government that is more concerned about its outward appearance to the world than in the cold hard decisions of winning a war and preserving the peace and the American way of life. Yes I did say the American way of life. Our culture and nation is vastly superior to many other nations in the world. We have brought freedom and liberty to countless millions. We have preserved the human dignity of man and championed the cause of freedom everywhere. Do not be distracted by the liberals and their macarthyistic practices by the treasonous Ted Kennedy and his ilk and their facade of concern regarding the "helpless" Iraqi prisoners. The Islamic mindset is not afraid of death. They only fear humiliation and our soldiers and intelligence officials involved with the prisoners understand this. The only thing these bastards understand is strength and humiliation. The days of the hippie cum-bye-ya love-in are over, or at least they better be if we want to win this war. The British understood this concept when dealing with the Islamo Fascists in times past. They would bury the Islamic dead in pig skins as an ultimate sign of humiliation to their enemy. (The pig is an unclean animal in Islam. Taken even further than the Jews) This action had a great effect on the Islamo psyche in humiliating them into submission. We have to be tough, there is no other way. Giving them a hug will only give us a knife in the gut. History teaches us that fanatics whether it comes in the guise of Nazism, Communism, Islamo Fascism or Liberalism understands nothing and will accept nothing short of superior strength. If we are not united, if we do not stand up against these untermenschen then we are lost. There is no way around that. We are dealing with a people who will die for their cause at any price. I have often said that history is the most vital subject of all. The premise for this argument is simply put by the great Spanish philosopher Santayana, THOSE WHO DON'T LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT THEM. The crusades were not fought as a way to spread Christianity by the sword, but to defend Christendom from the invading Muslim armies. Read your history, it's all there. Our forefathers understood that Islam was a real power to be reckoned with. They understood that it was kill or be killed when it came to combating them. The great city of Constantinople fell at the hands of the so called "religion of peace." They reached deep into western Europe including southern Spain, remember the Moors? Do you think that several hundred years has quelled the desire to convert the world to their point of view? Freedom of choice, and freedom of religion are not found in Islam. period! It's Allah's way or the highway! Sounds Luciferian to me. September 11th and the countless events leading up to it were a grave indication of their intent toward us; the freedom loving peoples of the world. I am personally enraged at the apathy of our nation towards this most vital of issues. We seem to be more concerned about the "pebble in our shoe" than the knife at our throat. We need to see the planes hitting the towers over and over again. We need to see the Nick Berg video and know who we are truly dealing with. The all knowing all compassionate press do not feel that these things are fit for public display. Who the hell do they think they are?? But this same press will show you the so called abuse photos of the Iraqi prisoners ad-nauseaum twenty-four seven giving our enemies all of the press time and propaganda they could hope for! We see in the WTC photos our fellow citizens plummeting to their deaths in order to avoid being burnt alive! Can you imagine the horror and the suffering of being at that place that day?? We must never forget. We must use that day as the impetuous to move our nation to victory. We must never forget! The killing of Nick Berg last week should be another wake up call to us all. What was the crime of our fellow citizen butchered by these bastards? He was an American, and a Jew. Hitler is back, and he is wearing a head scarf. We must all understand this. The swastika has been replaced by the crescent moon and a head scarf. This could be you,your father, brother or maybe your son or daughter. Think of how devastated the Berg family is right now. Think of what they are doing to us!!! These photos are not for the weak, but they must be seen so that you can bear witness of why we must fight. There is no other choice. What can we do? We can demand that our leaders do something. We must demand that our soldiers be allowed to conduct this war as a war, not as a police action. Our soldiers are not allowed to do what ever it takes to win. In some ways, Vietnam is back and reborn in this war in that politics are more important than victory. Win a hill today, and give it back tomorrow. Write your congressman, senator and the President. Let them know that action must be taken now! I don't know how much effect this will have as most of our politicians are only interested in their own agenda and self promotion. But the politician's mind is always testing the political wind so to speak. And finally, we can pray. We can pray to our Father in Heaven to watch over us, and our nation. To watch over our soldiers and our leaders. To bless them with wisdom (heaven knows they need it!!) We can humble ourselves before him and do our best to serve him. Just as in times past, we can not do it without his help. We are not the culprits in this, we are the victims!! Don't side with the enemy. There is nothing we have done that can justify these actions against us! It appears that the United States has slumped back into a collective amnesia. We have forgotten the over 3,000 souls who lost their lives on September 11, 2001. It appears that we have forgotten the war, or even the reason why we are fighting. We have become obsessed with pleasure, sport and recreation. We have become the masters of our own distraction, a deadly distraction. We have a government that is more concerned about its outward appearance to the world than in the cold hard decisions of winning a war and preserving the peace and the American way of life. Yes I did say the American way of life. Our culture and nation is vastly superior to many other nations in the world. We have brought freedom and liberty to countless millions. We have preserved the human dignity of man and championed the cause of freedom everywhere. Do not be distracted by the liberals and their macarthyistic practices by the treasonous Ted Kennedy and his ilk and their facade of concern regarding the "helpless" Iraqi prisoners. The Islamic mindset is not afraid of death. They only fear humiliation and our soldiers and intelligence officials involved with the prisoners understand this. The only thing these bastards understand is strength and humiliation. The days of the hippie cum-bye-ya love-in are over, or at least they better be if we want to win this war. The British understood this concept when dealing with the Islamo Fascists in times past. They would bury the Islamic dead in pig skins as an ultimate sign of humiliation to their enemy. (The pig is an unclean animal in Islam. Taken even further than the Jews) This action had a great effect on the Islamo psyche in humiliating them into submission. We have to be tough, there is no other way. Giving them a hug will only give us a knife in the gut.

History teaches us that fanatics whether it comes in the guise of Nazism, Communism, Islamo Fascism or Liberalism understands nothing and will accept nothing short of superior strength. If we are not united, if we do not stand up against these untermenschen then we are lost. There is no way around that. We are dealing with a people who will die for their cause at any price. I have often said that history is the most vital subject of all. The premise for this argument is simply put by the great Spanish philosopher Santayana, THOSE WHO DON'T LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT THEM. The crusades were not fought as a way to spread Christianity by the sword, but to defend Christendom from the invading Muslim armies. Read your history, it's all there. Our forefathers understood that Islam was a real power to be reckoned with. They understood that it was kill or be killed when it came to combating them. The great city of Constantinople fell at the hands of the so called "religion of peace." They reached deep into western Europe including southern Spain, remember the Moors? Do you think that several hundred years has quelled the desire to convert the world to their point of view? Freedom of choice, and freedom of religion are not found in Islam. period! It's Allah's way or the highway! Sounds Luciferian to me. September 11th and the countless events leading up to it were a grave indication of their intent toward us; the freedom loving peoples of the world.

I am personally enraged at the apathy of our nation towards this most vital of issues. We seem to be more concerned about the "pebble in our shoe" than the knife at our throat. We need to see the planes hitting the towers over and over again. We need to see the Nick Berg video and know who we are truly dealing with. The all knowing all compassionate press do not feel that these things are fit for public display. Who the hell do they think they are?? But this same press will show you the so called abuse photos of the Iraqi prisoners ad-nauseaum twenty-four seven giving our enemies all of the press time and propaganda they could hope for! We see in the WTC photos our fellow citizens plummeting to their deaths in order to avoid being burnt alive! Can you imagine the horror and the suffering of being at that place that day?? We must never forget. We must use that day as the impetuous to move our nation to victory. We must never forget!

The killing of Nick Berg last week should be another wake up call to us all. What was the crime of our fellow citizen butchered by these bastards? He was an American, and a Jew. Hitler is back, and he is wearing a head scarf. We must all understand this. The swastika has been replaced by the crescent moon and a head scarf. This could be you,your father, brother or maybe your son or daughter. Think of how devastated the Berg family is right now. Think of what they are doing to us!!! These photos are not for the weak, but they must be seen so that you can bear witness of why we must fight. There is no other choice.

What can we do? We can demand that our leaders do something. We must demand that our soldiers be allowed to conduct this war as a war, not as a police action. Our soldiers are not allowed to do what ever it takes to win. In some ways, Vietnam is back and reborn in this war in that politics are more important than victory. Win a hill today, and give it back tomorrow. Write your congressman, senator and the President. Let them know that action must be taken now! I don't know how much effect this will have as most of our politicians are only interested in their own agenda and self promotion. But the politician's mind is always testing the political wind so to speak. And finally, we can pray. We can pray to our Father in Heaven to watch over us, and our nation. To watch over our soldiers and our leaders. To bless them with wisdom (heaven knows they need it!!) We can humble ourselves before him and do our best to serve him. Just as in times past, we can not do it without his help. We are not the culprits in this, we are the victims!! Don't side with the enemy. There is nothing we have done that can justify these actions against us!

]]> By: Rebecca1 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16685 Rebecca1 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16685 So the website where this Video originated is wat? So the website where this Video originated is wat?

]]> By: Bud http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16686 Bud Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16686 i just watched the video of the beheading and it made me sick, those animals are not fit for life, good luck in the war against them, i give you it my full support. I very much hope they are caught and killed, and my condolences to Nick's family, nobody should die like that. i just watched the video of the beheading and it made me sick, those animals are not fit for life, good luck in the war against them, i give you it my full support. I very much hope they are caught and killed, and my condolences to Nick's family, nobody should die like that.

]]> By: Bud http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16687 Bud Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16687 here is the link to download the video, i hope you all realise that this war needs to be won. http://www.ogrish.com/index2.php here is the link to download the video, i hope you all realise that this war needs to be won.
http://www.ogrish.com/index2.php

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16688 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16688 nuke em nuke em

]]> By: Rae http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16689 Rae Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16689 First of all my condolences go out to the Berg family. Now, what is it going to take for your soliders to get out of Iraq? I thought the war was over. I realize that Nick Berg was not there on behalf of the United States government but you have to open your eyes. These terrorist are not afraid of dying (as proved by the numerous suicided bombers) so this will last until you have killed everylast one of them and I don't think that that is going to happen within the next couple of weeks or even months. This "war" has to stop now. GET OUT OF IRAQ. I understand that you want revenge (face it that is what it is) and you can't let them just get away with it but How many more Americans are you willing to lose? First of all my condolences go out to the Berg family.

Now, what is it going to take for your soliders to get out of Iraq? I thought the war was over. I realize that Nick Berg was not there on behalf of the United States government but you have to open your eyes. These terrorist are not afraid of dying (as proved by the numerous suicided bombers) so this will last until you have killed everylast one of them and I don't think that that is going to happen within the next couple of weeks or even months. This "war" has to stop now. GET OUT OF IRAQ. I understand that you want revenge (face it that is what it is) and you can't let them just get away with it but How many more Americans are you willing to lose?

]]> By: dontkillchildren http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/nick_berg/comment-page-1/#comment-16690 dontkillchildren Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6100#comment-16690 "At a time when public opinion in the U.S. is, at the very least, wobbly on Iraq" "these idiots commit an act so heinous and in such public fashion" And that should really make you think? What did you see ... and who did you see do it? A President under scrutiny so close to Re-Election? A Secretary under fire for the behaviour of US soldiers over seas..."I knew, but I did not know until I saw the pictures?" ~Secretary Rumsfeld How many laws were broken to make this... "occupation".... or war happen? Constitutional, Geneva, Nuremberg? How many lies? WMD? Sanctions on children...what does Saddam have to do with 9-11? After 10 thousand Iraqi deaths...these supposed "Al Qaeda" release a video showing brutality beyond compare on an American civilian...all in response to the "humiliation" put on Iraqi prisoners of war? This makes no sense, it acomplished nothing for them? On the flip side ...the same video gives Bush the exact "fix" he needed to re-direct public opinion and ensure a chance at re-election? As much as it hurt me to watch that video... I had to wonder who was really holding the blade? "I shall give a propagandist cause for starting the war, never mind whether it be true or not. The victor shall not be asked later on whether he told the truth or not." ~Adolf Hitler "At a time when public opinion in the U.S. is, at the very least, wobbly on Iraq" "these idiots commit an act so heinous and in such public fashion"

And that should really make you think? What did you see ... and who did you see do it?

A President under scrutiny so close to Re-Election? A Secretary under fire for the behaviour of US soldiers over seas..."I knew, but I did not know until I saw the pictures?" ~Secretary Rumsfeld

How many laws were broken to make this... "occupation".... or war happen? Constitutional, Geneva, Nuremberg? How many lies? WMD? Sanctions on children...what does Saddam have to do with 9-11?

After 10 thousand Iraqi deaths...these supposed "Al Qaeda" release a video showing brutality beyond compare on an American civilian...all in response to the "humiliation" put on Iraqi prisoners of war? This makes no sense, it acomplished nothing for them?

On the flip side ...the same video gives Bush the exact "fix" he needed to re-direct public opinion and ensure a chance at re-election?

As much as it hurt me to watch that video... I had to wonder who was really holding the blade?

"I shall give a propagandist cause for starting the war, never mind whether it be true or not. The victor shall not be asked later on whether he told the truth or not." ~Adolf Hitler

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