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		<title>By: PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; The Virtues of Beer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; The Virtues of Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nightly Ramble:BEER!; Gas prices and Democrats; Maps and other stuff;more &#124; BitsBlog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LeatherPenguin &#187; Ode to Suds</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeatherPenguin &#187; Ode to Suds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Bainbridge:

I think it&#039;s even more likely that the first human producers of alcoholic beverages were making mead.

Direct evidence of beer production and consumption goes back about 10,000 years.   There&#039;s direct evidence of mead production going back about 8,000 years.  The oldest known evidence for wine production that I&#039;m aware of goes back about 7,000 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Bainbridge:</p>
<p>I think it's even more likely that the first human producers of alcoholic beverages were making mead.</p>
<p>Direct evidence of beer production and consumption goes back about 10,000 years.   There's direct evidence of mead production going back about 8,000 years.  The oldest known evidence for wine production that I'm aware of goes back about 7,000 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Donegal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Donegal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave~

Hopefully Dave Kiley knows more about business than basketball.  John Wooden didn&#039;t run the four corners; Dean Smith did.  In fact, Wooden was an advocate of the full court zone press, which seems to be what InBev is running at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave~</p>
<p>Hopefully Dave Kiley knows more about business than basketball.  John Wooden didn't run the four corners; Dean Smith did.  In fact, Wooden was an advocate of the full court zone press, which seems to be what InBev is running at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW/ I do recall reading similar claims in running magazines 10 years ago to the effect that drinking a beer or two after a run would ultimately increase your hydration levels over similar quantities of plain water.  It had to do with effects and counter-effects and (er) MAGIC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW/ I do recall reading similar claims in running magazines 10 years ago to the effect that drinking a beer or two after a run would ultimately increase your hydration levels over similar quantities of plain water.  It had to do with effects and counter-effects and (er) MAGIC!</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll see ck&#039;s googling and raise it with another unverified source:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Q It has always been my understanding that coffee or beer were diuretics. It was a shock to see this may not be so. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt; A &quot;Yes, it is surprising! When they actually studied this, they found that for caffeinated beverages, it depends on how often you drink them. If you only drink one cup a week, then yes it is diuretic. But if you drink coffee or tea every day, then it has only a small, transient diuretic effect. It has no overall impact on your 24hr fluid balance. With regard to beer, much the same. Obviously, the concentration of alcohol in beer is low. You are drinking a lot of fluid. If you just drank that much water, you would also pee a lot afterwards. With beer, there is a transient diuretic effect, but that is followed by a prolonged antidiuretic effect, so that again over 24 hours, it does not put you into negative fluid balance.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.bloggingheads.tv/phorum/read.php?1,21665,22257&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll see ck's googling and raise it with another unverified source:</p>
<blockquote><p>Q It has always been my understanding that coffee or beer were diuretics. It was a shock to see this may not be so. </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> A "Yes, it is surprising! When they actually studied this, they found that for caffeinated beverages, it depends on how often you drink them. If you only drink one cup a week, then yes it is diuretic. But if you drink coffee or tea every day, then it has only a small, transient diuretic effect. It has no overall impact on your 24hr fluid balance. With regard to beer, much the same. Obviously, the concentration of alcohol in beer is low. You are drinking a lot of fluid. If you just drank that much water, you would also pee a lot afterwards. With beer, there is a transient diuretic effect, but that is followed by a prolonged antidiuretic effect, so that again over 24 hours, it does not put you into negative fluid balance."</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://forums.bloggingheads.tv/phorum/read.php?1,21665,22257" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sure, if you&#039;re talking about corn liquor, or even whiskey. But beer is about 90 percent water.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think that matters.  A quick search turns up this (which must be true, because it&#039;s on the internet):

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question31138.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;Indeed, you can remain perfectly hydrated never drinking water per se:
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, but if your diet provides sufficient water already, you have no need for drinking water, and thus no need for beer as a substitute either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sure, if you're talking about corn liquor, or even whiskey. But beer is about 90 percent water.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't think that matters.  A quick search turns up this (which must be true, because it's on the internet):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question31138.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question31138.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Indeed, you can remain perfectly hydrated never drinking water per se:
</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, but if your diet provides sufficient water already, you have no need for drinking water, and thus no need for beer as a substitute either.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Alcohol dehydrates the body - it&#039;s not a substitute for drinking water. I suspect that if you replaced all water in your diet with alcohol, you would die of dehydration within days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure, if you&#039;re talking about corn liquor, or even whiskey. But beer is about 90 percent water.  

Indeed, you can remain perfectly hydrated &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;never drinking water&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Although it&#039;s a great idea to keep water within reach at all times, you don&#039;t need to rely only on what you drink to satisfy your fluid needs. What you eat also provides a significant portion of your fluid needs. On average, food provides about 20 percent of total water intake, while the remaining 80 percent comes from water and beverages of all kinds.

For example, many fruits and vegetables, such as watermelon and tomatoes, are 90 percent to 100 percent water by weight. Beverages such as milk and juice also are composed mostly of water. Even beer, wine and caffeinated beverages — such as coffee, tea or soda — can contribute, but these should not be a major portion of your daily total fluid intake. Water is one of your best bets because it&#039;s calorie-free, inexpensive and readily available. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Alcohol dehydrates the body - it's not a substitute for drinking water. I suspect that if you replaced all water in your diet with alcohol, you would die of dehydration within days.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, if you're talking about corn liquor, or even whiskey. But beer is about 90 percent water.  </p>
<p>Indeed, you can remain perfectly hydrated <a href="http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283" rel="nofollow">never drinking water</a> <em>per se</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Although it's a great idea to keep water within reach at all times, you don't need to rely only on what you drink to satisfy your fluid needs. What you eat also provides a significant portion of your fluid needs. On average, food provides about 20 percent of total water intake, while the remaining 80 percent comes from water and beverages of all kinds.</p>
<p>For example, many fruits and vegetables, such as watermelon and tomatoes, are 90 percent to 100 percent water by weight. Beverages such as milk and juice also are composed mostly of water. Even beer, wine and caffeinated beverages — such as coffee, tea or soda — can contribute, but these should not be a major portion of your daily total fluid intake. Water is one of your best bets because it's calorie-free, inexpensive and readily available. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Professor Bainbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Bainbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the odds are the the earliest civilizations were wine drinkers. At the very least, however, the early humans (or maybe even humanoids) who first started drinking alcoholic beverages likely drank fruit wine rather than beer. See my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.professorbainbridgeonwine.com/wineandfood/comments/no_beer_no_civilization_no_way/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No Beer, No Civilization? No Way!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the odds are the the earliest civilizations were wine drinkers. At the very least, however, the early humans (or maybe even humanoids) who first started drinking alcoholic beverages likely drank fruit wine rather than beer. See my <a href="http://www.professorbainbridgeonwine.com/wineandfood/comments/no_beer_no_civilization_no_way/" rel="nofollow">No Beer, No Civilization? No Way!</a></p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will&#039;s claim seems dubious.  Alcohol dehydrates the body - it&#039;s not a substitute for drinking water.  I suspect that if you replaced all water in your diet with alcohol, you would die of dehydration within days.  (but, I&#039;m not a doctor, perhaps this is wrong)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will's claim seems dubious.  Alcohol dehydrates the body - it's not a substitute for drinking water.  I suspect that if you replaced all water in your diet with alcohol, you would die of dehydration within days.  (but, I'm not a doctor, perhaps this is wrong)</p>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that I had first heard the theory that our civilization was founded in order to drink beer more than 2 decades ago, it seems appropriate for George Will to be discovering it now.

Note also that non-Western civilizations tended to respond to the water quality issue by boiling it, then adding herbs to make the boiled water palatable (i.e., tea).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that I had first heard the theory that our civilization was founded in order to drink beer more than 2 decades ago, it seems appropriate for George Will to be discovering it now.</p>
<p>Note also that non-Western civilizations tended to respond to the water quality issue by boiling it, then adding herbs to make the boiled water palatable (i.e., tea).</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, Will repeats the urban legend that Ben Franklin said:

&quot;Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.&quot;

Ben liked wine, and other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Will repeats the urban legend that Ben Franklin said:</p>
<p>"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."</p>
<p>Ben liked wine, and other things.</p>
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